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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #8670 on: November 20, 2013, 05:16:15 AM »
I have a question about TB vaccination scars.

Where I live (third world country), everyone has a TB vaccination when they are about 7ish or so, and it tends to develop into a huge absess that scars very distinctly and visibly.

http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/476203/350wm/C0141852-BCG_vaccination_scar-SPL.jpg

Every person I know who has grown up here (and in nearby countries) has a large circular scar on their upper arm from it. I was wondering, do first world countries have the same vaccinations and associated scars on their arms? I've never seen them on the arms of actors or actresses from the US, so I'm guessing it's not done there?

I always thought that scar was from  the small pox vaccination.  Hmmm, learned something new.

I do not have it, but I am not allowed vaccinations due to my crazy, severe reactions to them...not even a flu shot.  I don't know many people my age, mid 30s, that do have it, but most of the older generation I know does.

If an actor or actress does have a scar, I can only assume it gets covered up or taken out during editing.
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« Reply #8671 on: November 20, 2013, 05:16:35 AM »
I don't think TB vaccinations have been given in the U.S. since the early 1970's.  or is that smallpox vaccine?  I can't remember.  In any case, I know that arm scar, and know that the causative vaccine has not been given in maybe 40 years.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #8672 on: November 20, 2013, 05:32:03 AM »
I have a question about TB vaccination scars.

Where I live (third world country), everyone has a TB vaccination when they are about 7ish or so, and it tends to develop into a huge absess that scars very distinctly and visibly.

http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/476203/350wm/C0141852-BCG_vaccination_scar-SPL.jpg

Every person I know who has grown up here (and in nearby countries) has a large circular scar on their upper arm from it. I was wondering, do first world countries have the same vaccinations and associated scars on their arms? I've never seen them on the arms of actors or actresses from the US, so I'm guessing it's not done there?

I always thought that scar was from  the small pox vaccination.  Hmmm, learned something new.

I do not have it, but I am not allowed vaccinations due to my crazy, severe reactions to them...not even a flu shot.  I don't know many people my age, mid 30s, that do have it, but most of the older generation I know does.

If an actor or actress does have a scar, I can only assume it gets covered up or taken out during editing.

I've been doing some research on vaccincation scars (translation: googling).  ;D

It seems the scars in the US are for small pox (and they stopped being given a couple of decades ago, so they're rarer and seen more on adults), but the scars where I live are from TB vaccinations and are still ongoing vaccinations, so everyone has them.
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« Reply #8673 on: November 20, 2013, 05:34:36 AM »
I don't think TB vaccinations have been given in the U.S. since the early 1970's.  or is that smallpox vaccine?  I can't remember.  In any case, I know that arm scar, and know that the causative vaccine has not been given in maybe 40 years.

Smallpox vaccine. Smallpox has been eradicated in the wild; the last case was in 1977.
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« Reply #8674 on: November 20, 2013, 05:36:53 AM »
^^ thanks!  That's what I get, trying to be smart before 7AM!
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« Reply #8675 on: November 20, 2013, 05:46:15 AM »
Teaching reading - you have to teach it all phonics, sight words, guided reading. No one method is going to work with all kids. But you get administrators that get wedded to a particular method or state legislatures that are required to send billions out of the country to the be all end all company (Pearson) and the kids and teachers are the victims.


My Mom used to tell a story about how Sis got to JH and the teachers asked "What happened the kids can spell" - Mom's reply they stopped teaching only phonics. Drove my Mom crazy I would spell words completely phonetically. Words that I could read fine, I would spell wrong.


So true. I read by word shapes. Fortunately I could read before I got to school, so wasn't derailed by the fact that phonics was The One True Way to teach. When my brother stated school, he hadn't  yet learned to read. And he didn't, for ages, because the way that the school *had* to teach it (Phonics again) did not work for him. Fortunately, the teacher was willing to conspire with my mum (who was at that time working as a volunteer at the school) to teach him, and one or two others with similar problems:

 "Well, we are required to use this method, so I cannot allow anything else. But I'm very busy, and so I won't be checking up on you. And I think you'll find it easiest of you work with these kids in the library corner. Where there are some drawers with the old reading aids from the old system we don't use any more because it is not the One True Way. Do make sure you don't accidentally use the old materials we are storing in the in the second drawer down until we get round to throwing them away. Be particularly careful not to accidentally  the ones on the right hand side. ..."

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« Reply #8676 on: November 20, 2013, 06:41:24 AM »
Carrotte wrote:

"Have you tried cleaning it with the TV on? So that it might warm up a bit and be easier to wipe off (and if your tv doesn't heat up [do tv heat up? I haven't been near one in ages] maybe a quick blast of hair dryer)."

If it's a flat panel TV, it won't generate an appreciable amount of heat when it's on, and it's a bad idea to try heating it with a hair dryer because spot heat like that can damage it.  One way to clean it is to use monitor wipes, but be aware that it'll take a gentle hand, a lot of time and a fair number of wipes to get crayon residue off the screen.  Isopropyl alcohol in water will also work, as long as you use a microfiber cloth or the like.  Don't bear down on the surface and don't "scrub" it hard, and eventually it'll come clean.  Be sure to power down the TV and unplug it before trying this, and above all, Be. Patient.

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« Reply #8677 on: November 20, 2013, 08:55:41 AM »
As others have said, TB vaccinations aren't common in the US, but TB skin tests are. I had them regularly when I was growing up, even though I was never (to my knowledge) exposed to anyone who had tuberculosis, and didn't spend much time in environments where exposure would be likely. I think it's pretty common practice here to try to diagnose TB infections before people start showing actual symptoms, since the person would not be contagious at that stage.

Apparently, the BCG vaccine (the one that is commonly given to children in countries where TB is more common) is not recommended for adults, since it isn't always as effective and can interfere with the skin test, which allows for early detection and treatment of latent TB infections before they turn into the disease (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Infectious Diseases Related To Travel: Tuberculosis).

The CDC has other information on TB and the BCG vaccine here: http://www.cdc.gov/Vaccines/vpd-vac/tb/default.htm


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« Reply #8678 on: November 20, 2013, 09:06:27 AM »
^I have a rather large scar on my upper left arm but it is from the small pox vaccine.  The only TB thing I ever had done was the skin test where they insert the 'stuff' just under the skin on your forearm and come back and check it a few days later for reaction.
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« Reply #8679 on: November 20, 2013, 09:42:36 AM »
In the US, TB vaccine isn't given. Sis and mom both had to have skin tests, they were in a CNA class and were going to be doing practical exams in an actual nursing home, and they had to be tested. Sis had to get another test before she got a job in another nursing home a year later.

I think if it's negative you're fine, if it's positive, they treat you, but there's no more vaccination because of how rare it is. That's my understanding, at least.

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« Reply #8680 on: November 20, 2013, 10:06:55 AM »
I don't think TB vaccinations have been given in the U.S. since the early 1970's.  or is that smallpox vaccine?  I can't remember.  In any case, I know that arm scar, and know that the causative vaccine has not been given in maybe 40 years.

Smallpox vaccine. Smallpox has been eradicated in the wild; the last case was in 1977.

I'm 8 years older than The Sweetie. She said one way she could tell the age gap wasn't too big was that we both have smallpox vaccination scars.
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« Reply #8681 on: November 20, 2013, 10:35:07 AM »
I have a scar like that on my arm from the TB vaccine (BCG), given when I was about 13 (I'm in the UK). That was in the late 90's though, so I don't know whether they still give them out. They gave you a 'heaf test' on your wrist (lots of little needles) to see if you showed seroconversion (i.e. evidence of either prior vaccination or exposure to TB), and if you didn't have any reaction, you got vaccinated.

I have a feeling they don't give them any more - the BCG isn't a particularly good vaccine, and TB is hard to diagnose (and treat).
Smallpox vaccines were stopped some time in the late 70s early 80s I believe. It was declared eradicated in 1979.

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« Reply #8682 on: November 20, 2013, 11:01:55 AM »
No TB vaccinations in Canada. And no smallpox since ages ago (I don't have the scar, and I'm older than old dirt).

When a disease is as rare as TB, and the vaccination isn't completely effective, it may make more sense to use public health reporting and treatment to deal with the minimal cases that do crop up. If the number of cases rises, then vaccination would be seen as a more desirable measure.
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« Reply #8683 on: November 20, 2013, 11:06:06 AM »
No TB vaccinations in Canada. And no smallpox since ages ago (I don't have the scar, and I'm older than old dirt).

I'm surprised!  I was born in '68 and had the smallpox vaccine.  I do know people younger than me that have it, too.  And a woman I worked with was going to have her daughter vaccinated - but on the leg, rather than the arm due to the scar.  This was in the early 90's.  I think she had to specifically request it, though, and had it done because she knew they would be travelling.
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« Reply #8684 on: November 20, 2013, 11:21:01 AM »
I've had the vaccine but I don't have an obvious scar like that on my upper arm where I had the injection.  In fact, it made me look again and I can't even tell where it was as there is no obvious indication. Guess it must depend on individual reactions perhaps.