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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #8880 on: January 04, 2014, 05:41:01 PM »
Why did the Pilgrams set sail for the New Word, so that they landed so late in the year? I mean leaving in September and landing in November seems like a group attempt at Darwinism. (Note I'm looking at materials for lower elementary). Does it have something to do with the currents and winds that time of year - but it was at the tail end of hurricane season, though they were pretty far north for hurricanes?

Wouldn't it make more sense to sail early spring before huricane season and so they could plant when they landed?

I guess I'm comparing it to the Oregon Trail story where there was a definate window for leaving  and check point along the trail that you had to reach by certain dates, so you didn't get caught in snowstorms in the Rockies.

They were originally on a different ship, the Speedwell, that sailed out of England somewhere around the end of July or early August.  There was some problem with the vessel leaking that forced it back to England twice.

They ended up on the Mayflower at that point, sailing out in September.  There was some weather issues that forced them to take refuge in Cape Cod.  It was another month before they found a suitable settlement area.

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #8881 on: January 04, 2014, 05:49:39 PM »
Why did the Pilgrams set sail for the New Word, so that they landed so late in the year? I mean leaving in September and landing in November seems like a group attempt at Darwinism. (Note I'm looking at materials for lower elementary). Does it have something to do with the currents and winds that time of year - but it was at the tail end of hurricane season, though they were pretty far north for hurricanes?

Wouldn't it make more sense to sail early spring before hurricane season and so they could plant when they landed?

I guess I'm comparing it to the Oregon Trail story where there was a definite window for leaving  and check point along the trail that you had to reach by certain dates, so you didn't get caught in snowstorms in the Rockies.
Apparently they left in August and were travelling with/on another ship whose misfortune set their schedule back. They couldn't really turn around and cancel the trip so they had to keep plugging along.
If you trust/value Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower#Voyage
From what I can understand reading the section, Plymouth was neither the start nor the starting point of their journey. They also never intended to land in what would become Plymouth when they reached North America - they had been trying to get to the colony of Virginia further south and the weather conditions made that impossible. It seems the Pilgrims were not necessarily ill-equipped or bad planners, just victims of circumstance. When preparing for their journey, they never accounted for leaving late, being delayed, arriving late and being stuck in the wrong place!
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #8882 on: January 04, 2014, 06:07:41 PM »
Why did the Pilgrams set sail for the New Word, so that they landed so late in the year? I mean leaving in September and landing in November seems like a group attempt at Darwinism. (Note I'm looking at materials for lower elementary). Does it have something to do with the currents and winds that time of year - but it was at the tail end of hurricane season, though they were pretty far north for hurricanes?

Wouldn't it make more sense to sail early spring before huricane season and so they could plant when they landed?

I guess I'm comparing it to the Oregon Trail story where there was a definate window for leaving  and check point along the trail that you had to reach by certain dates, so you didn't get caught in snowstorms in the Rockies.

They were originally on a different ship, the Speedwell, that sailed out of England somewhere around the end of July or early August.  There was some problem with the vessel leaking that forced it back to England twice.

They ended up on the Mayflower at that point, sailing out in September.  There was some weather issues that forced them to take refuge in Cape Cod.  It was another month before they found a suitable settlement area.



Apparently they left in August and were travelling with/on another ship whose misfortune set their schedule back. They couldn't really turn around and cancel the trip so they had to keep plugging along.
If you trust/value Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower#Voyage
From what I can understand reading the section, Plymouth was neither the start nor the starting point of their journey. They also never intended to land in what would become Plymouth when they reached North America - they had been trying to get to the colony of Virginia further south and the weather conditions made that impossible. It seems the Pilgrims were not necessarily ill-equipped or bad planners, just victims of circumstance. When preparing for their journey, they never accounted for leaving late, being delayed, arriving late and being stuck in the wrong place!
Thanks that is going to add to some cool critical thinking activities, I have planned.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #8883 on: January 04, 2014, 06:14:01 PM »
In the yelling at cats thread, people keep saying that it's unhygienic to allow cats on food prep/eating surfaces such as tables and countertops. But do people really prepare food directly on the countertop or eat directly off the table? I would never consider that hygienic, regardless of cats, unless the surface had just been cleaned. Is it not the norm to always prepare food on cutting boards and to always eat off plates?
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #8884 on: January 04, 2014, 06:29:48 PM »
In the yelling at cats thread, people keep saying that it's unhygienic to allow cats on food prep/eating surfaces such as tables and countertops. But do people really prepare food directly on the countertop or eat directly off the table? I would never consider that hygienic, regardless of cats, unless the surface had just been cleaned. Is it not the norm to always prepare food on cutting boards and to always eat off plates?

I generally prepare food on cutting boards and eat off plates, but in between I touch the surrounding surfaces a lot: I lay the vegetables I'm about to chop on the counters, drum my fingers on it while I think, etc, so there's still lots of opportunities for contamination.

My question is, how do I prepare coffee in a pot like this?

http://www.rubylane.com/item/680714-CB303/Fine-Antique-French-Brass-Coffee

My grandmother sent me something less ornate but with the same set up for Christmas: a pot with a long handle and there's a filter on the spout. Can I make coffee in it? If so, how?

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« Reply #8885 on: January 04, 2014, 06:50:09 PM »
I would never prepare food on a countertop without cleaning the counter off first. I clean it after I'm done using it and before. I thought that was just standard practice. However, I don't go to town with bleach or anything. I wipe it down with a warm, soapy, clean dish cloth. I know that doesn't kill all germs, but we rarely get sick, so I don't see the point. With the stuff cats walk around in, I would be much more obsessed with sterility.


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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #8886 on: January 04, 2014, 07:13:13 PM »
I would never prepare food on a countertop without cleaning the counter off first. I clean it after I'm done using it and before. I thought that was just standard practice. However, I don't go to town with bleach or anything. I wipe it down with a warm, soapy, clean dish cloth. I know that doesn't kill all germs, but we rarely get sick, so I don't see the point. With the stuff cats walk around in, I would be much more obsessed with sterility.

Interesting. I see nothing wrong with putting food directly on a clean countertop, but I didn't realize people did that. I always use a cutting board so I don't have to clean my counters all the time. I also haven't had much luck keeping my cats from going wherever they want (at least when no one's looking), but they haven't figured out how to open the cabinets where we keep our cutting boards and plates.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #8887 on: January 04, 2014, 07:52:10 PM »
In the yelling at cats thread, people keep saying that it's unhygienic to allow cats on food prep/eating surfaces such as tables and countertops. But do people really prepare food directly on the countertop or eat directly off the table? I would never consider that hygienic, regardless of cats, unless the surface had just been cleaned. Is it not the norm to always prepare food on cutting boards and to always eat off plates?

I generally prepare food on cutting boards and eat off plates, but in between I touch the surrounding surfaces a lot: I lay the vegetables I'm about to chop on the counters, drum my fingers on it while I think, etc, so there's still lots of opportunities for contamination.


This is where I am. It really bothers me that cats are walking through their litter and licking their paws - it's instinct, but I can't stand it - and then on counters and tables. They also a walking on the floor. Shoe free house or not, it's still the floor, sweaty socks or feet and all.

I really get creeped out about animals sleeping with people. Oh, my.

But, you seem to love it and as far as I know, no one has died from it, so it's your life and your pets.
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« Reply #8888 on: January 04, 2014, 07:54:25 PM »
No cats, but I do use the countertop pretty frequently for making a sandwich or something.  If I'm going to be using a plate anyway, I put that down first, but when it's just a question of spreading some peanut butter on a graham cracker for Babybartfast, I don't bother.  No reason the counters would be any dirtier than any other surface in the house.

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« Reply #8889 on: January 04, 2014, 07:59:55 PM »
I have cats and they do get up on the counter.  I shoo them off but, frankly, I'm not phobic about germs so I don't let it get to me too much. 

If I'm making food for people other than my daughter and me, I am a lot more aware paranoid about cleaning and keeping everything off the counter and making sure there is no contamination.

If it's just for me, eh.  I put bread on the counter to make a sandwich.  I put spoons, knives and folks on the counter before using them.  I'll put some crackers on the island/counter to munch on while I read the paper.

Germs are everywhere, even when you clean.  They can barely be managed and never defeated.  Our bodies are bacteria machines and transports.  Thank goodness for white blood cells and antibodies!
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #8890 on: January 04, 2014, 08:07:56 PM »
In the yelling at cats thread, people keep saying that it's unhygienic to allow cats on food prep/eating surfaces such as tables and countertops. But do people really prepare food directly on the countertop or eat directly off the table? I would never consider that hygienic, regardless of cats, unless the surface had just been cleaned. Is it not the norm to always prepare food on cutting boards and to always eat off plates?

I generally prepare food on cutting boards and eat off plates, but in between I touch the surrounding surfaces a lot: I lay the vegetables I'm about to chop on the counters, drum my fingers on it while I think, etc, so there's still lots of opportunities for contamination.


This is where I am. It really bothers me that cats are walking through their litter and licking their paws - it's instinct, but I can't stand it - and then on counters and tables. They also a walking on the floor. Shoe free house or not, it's still the floor, sweaty socks or feet and all.

I really get creeped out about animals sleeping with people. Oh, my.

But, you seem to love it and as far as I know, no one has died from it, so it's your life and your pets. I just don't eat your food.

I won't argue with personal hangups. I'm just surprised at the assumption that I would place food on any surface where the cats have been walking. My cats might go on the countertops, but my food and utensils don't. I'm more cautious than many about food safety and I don't think my food is any more likely than the next person's to be contaminated.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #8891 on: January 04, 2014, 08:10:45 PM »
I sometimes make myself an herbal tea blend.  It has chamomile,  Valerian, and rose hips.  My cat LOVES it.  Any idea why?

He is the weird cat that will eat anything from broccoli to spaghetti sauce, but my other cats seem really interested in it as well.  I had to give them a saucer just so I could drink my tea in peace.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #8892 on: January 04, 2014, 08:12:19 PM »
I have three cats and they never go on the counter tops. Table, yes, counter tops, no.

I clean the counters and tables down regardless. I never prepare food directly on the counter or table surface.

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« Reply #8893 on: January 04, 2014, 08:21:09 PM »
I realized how harsh and unnecessary that last statement of mine was and went to edit it out, hoping no one would see it so quickly.

Apologies to all.

It is especially funny that we are not so careful about expiration dates on food - never serve to guests, but we still use it, and we have never gotten sick from it!

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« Reply #8894 on: January 04, 2014, 09:25:41 PM »
I sometimes make myself an herbal tea blend.  It has chamomile,  Valerian, and rose hips.  My cat LOVES it.  Any idea why?

He is the weird cat that will eat anything from broccoli to spaghetti sauce, but my other cats seem really interested in it as well.  I had to give them a saucer just so I could drink my tea in peace.
An herbalist once told me that catnip is kitty pot*, and valerian is kitty cocaine.  Whether or not that's true, there must be some attractive compound in the tea that your cats can smell and crave.

*My cats stole a whole sandwich bag of freshly dried catnip, ate an unknown amount, and spent most of the night strewing the remaining crumbs all over the living room carpet.  I  got up to find two pie-eyed cats weaving around saying "Man, that was GOOOOOD weed!"
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