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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6405 on: January 01, 2013, 11:06:55 PM »
Drivers' Ed circa 1977 - we were instructed to put an automatic transmission into neutral when stopped at a  stoplight.  The theory being that in the event of a rear end collision it would somehow limit the damage to the driver/vehicle.  My brother had the same Drivers' Ed instructor in 1979 and was not taught that.   Instead that it was imperative to be in drive in that event that an evasive maneuver was needed and also that ones foot should be firmly on the brake pedal so that in the event of a rear end collision your vehicle would not be as likely to be pushed into oncoming traffic.



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« Reply #6406 on: January 02, 2013, 12:35:37 AM »
Drivers' Ed circa 1977 - we were instructed to put an automatic transmission into neutral when stopped at a  stoplight.  The theory being that in the event of a rear end collision it would somehow limit the damage to the driver/vehicle.  My brother had the same Drivers' Ed instructor in 1979 and was not taught that.   Instead that it was imperative to be in drive in that event that an evasive maneuver was needed and also that ones foot should be firmly on the brake pedal so that in the event of a rear end collision your vehicle would not be as likely to be pushed into oncoming traffic.

That sounds like terrible instruction. In the event of a rear end collision all the force of the accident would be transferred up your leg into your hips and pelvis with your foot on the brake like that. Still, I guess they maybe weren't as aware of these things in the 70s.

On that subject, my own "this might be a stupid question, but": Why do so many people in America learn to drive from their parents rather than using a qualified driving instructor? It seems to me like parents would simply pass their bad habits on to the kids. I've always wondered this when reading threads about terrible drivers.

I get the impression that 'Drivers' Ed' is class based.

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6407 on: January 02, 2013, 01:26:20 AM »

On that subject, my own "this might be a stupid question, but": Why do so many people in America learn to drive from their parents rather than using a qualified driving instructor? It seems to me like parents would simply pass their bad habits on to the kids. I've always wondered this when reading threads about terrible drivers.

I get the impression that 'Drivers' Ed' is class based.

Driver's Ed is expensive. Some people pony up the money anyway, since some insurance companies will give you a break on new driver insurance if you have it. And some schools offer slightly cheaper classes to their students.

But a lot of teens figure they can drive just fine, so they don't need it, right? And the parents also figure they are good drivers, so they can teach their teens just fine, right? And thus the Special Snowflakery is passed down to the next generation.
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« Reply #6408 on: January 02, 2013, 01:41:21 AM »

On that subject, my own "this might be a stupid question, but": Why do so many people in America learn to drive from their parents rather than using a qualified driving instructor? It seems to me like parents would simply pass their bad habits on to the kids. I've always wondered this when reading threads about terrible drivers.

I get the impression that 'Drivers' Ed' is class based.

Driver's Ed is expensive. Some people pony up the money anyway, since some insurance companies will give you a break on new driver insurance if you have it. And some schools offer slightly cheaper classes to their students.

But a lot of teens figure they can drive just fine, so they don't need it, right? And the parents also figure they are good drivers, so they can teach their teens just fine, right? And thus the Special Snowflakery is passed down to the next generation.

It's expensive here too, but it's almost unheard of not to take professional instruction or 'driving lessons', usually in a car with dual controls, then when your instructor deems you ready to take your driving test, you put in for it.

I'm always shocked, for example, to read about the sheer number of people who can't back into or out of a parking space or have trouble with basic things that would be required competencies in our driving test. I've always wondered if this is because they were taught by parents who also didn't know how to do it, because nobody ever took lessons.

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« Reply #6409 on: January 02, 2013, 02:56:44 AM »
Driver's ed is sometimes offered through the schools, but not always.  Mine (private company) only covered a handful of lessons (I think I had six) and a classroom segment.  Even if you do take driver's ed classes, you still need a lot more time behind the wheel than that, hence the parents.  Also, most states have some variant of a "learner's permit" where teens are only allowed to drive with parents/guardians and sometimes immediate family members in the car, usually for several months leading up to when they can take their driver's test.  Some states have restricted driving past that (e.g. can't drive with other teens in the car at night), but the end result is that it mostly falls to the parents to teach American teens.  I imagine it's probably much harder to learn to drive if you don't learn before you're out of your parents' house.

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« Reply #6410 on: January 02, 2013, 08:21:32 AM »
A recent survey determined that 97% of US drivers felt that they were "above average" drivers.  ::)   And why should who feels they are an "above average" driver lay out $$$$ for lessons for their kid?
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« Reply #6411 on: January 02, 2013, 08:28:32 AM »
A recent survey determined that 97% of US drivers felt that they were "above average" drivers.  ::)   And why should who feels they are an "above average" driver lay out $$$$ for lessons for their kid?

LOL!  Sort of changes what "average" means, eh?

There was an interesting article in the Washington Post about optimism and how people are generally very optimistic about their lives and futures.  They underestimate--by a lot--their own odds of dying, getting cancer, losing their jobs, etc.  I think "How good a driver are you?" would fit into the same mold. 
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« Reply #6412 on: January 02, 2013, 08:36:13 AM »
A recent survey determined that 97% of US drivers felt that they were "above average" drivers.  ::)   And why should who feels they are an "above average" driver lay out $$$$ for lessons for their kid?

LOL!  Sort of changes what "average" means, eh?

There was an interesting article in the Washington Post about optimism and how people are generally very optimistic about their lives and futures.  They underestimate--by a lot--their own odds of dying, getting cancer, losing their jobs, etc.  I think "How good a driver are you?" would fit into the same mold.

I think the layman's term is Lake Woebegon Effect. You know, the place where "all the children are above average." The Wikipedia article on "Illusory Superiority" lists a whole bunch of specific areas where that sort of bias comes into play, but it pretty much boils down to: someone with limited knowledge doesn't know enough to recognize that lack. And driving ability is *definitely* on that list.
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« Reply #6413 on: January 02, 2013, 08:45:34 AM »
A recent survey determined that 97% of US drivers felt that they were "above average" drivers.  ::)   And why should who feels they are an "above average" driver lay out $$$$ for lessons for their kid?
Next dumb question: why do I not see errors in my post even when I proofread it before hitting the 'post' button, but they leap out at me when someone quotes me?
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« Reply #6414 on: January 02, 2013, 09:17:14 AM »
Drivers' Ed circa 1977 - we were instructed to put an automatic transmission into neutral when stopped at a  stoplight.  The theory being that in the event of a rear end collision it would somehow limit the damage to the driver/vehicle.  My brother had the same Drivers' Ed instructor in 1979 and was not taught that.   Instead that it was imperative to be in drive in that event that an evasive maneuver was needed and also that ones foot should be firmly on the brake pedal so that in the event of a rear end collision your vehicle would not be as likely to be pushed into oncoming traffic.

That sounds like terrible instruction. In the event of a rear end collision all the force of the accident would be transferred up your leg into your hips and pelvis with your foot on the brake like that. Still, I guess they maybe weren't as aware of these things in the 70s.

On that subject, my own "this might be a stupid question, but": Why do so many people in America learn to drive from their parents rather than using a qualified driving instructor? It seems to me like parents would simply pass their bad habits on to the kids. I've always wondered this when reading threads about terrible drivers.

I get the impression that 'Drivers' Ed' is class based.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6415 on: January 02, 2013, 09:21:59 AM »
I've heard that in many places in the States, the driving test is nowhere near as rigorous as the UK one.

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« Reply #6416 on: January 02, 2013, 10:29:59 AM »
I've heard that in many places in the States, the driving test is nowhere near as rigorous as the UK one.

What I've heard, on the other side of the pond, is that everywhere in the UK, the driving test is much more difficult than anywhere in the US.

My cousin, who lived in the UK for 10 years, and had been a licensed driver in the US for 20 years before moving there, studied and took lessons for three months before getting her license in the UK. And it wasn't just driving on the other side of the road that caused her difficulties--the UK test simply covers more things than the average US driving test.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6417 on: January 02, 2013, 10:30:58 AM »
A recent survey determined that 97% of US drivers felt that they were "above average" drivers.  ::)   And why should who feels they are an "above average" driver lay out $$$$ for lessons for their kid?
Next dumb question: why do I not see errors in my post even when I proofread it before hitting the 'post' button, but they leap out at me when someone quotes me?

Oh, I wish I knew the answer to that!

I just mumble under my breath and sit here in profound embarrassment.

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« Reply #6418 on: January 02, 2013, 11:02:46 AM »
I've heard that in many places in the States, the driving test is nowhere near as rigorous as the UK one.

What I've heard, on the other side of the pond, is that everywhere in the UK, the driving test is much more difficult than anywhere in the US.

My cousin, who lived in the UK for 10 years, and had been a licensed driver in the US for 20 years before moving there, studied and took lessons for three months before getting her license in the UK. And it wasn't just driving on the other side of the road that caused her difficulties--the UK test simply covers more things than the average US driving test.

The test can vary regionally, too, within the same Province, in Canada.  A cousin of mine lived in Big City.  He took his test and failed.  Then they moved to the cottage 2.5 hours away for the summer.  He retook his test in Small Town and passed, no problem.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6419 on: January 02, 2013, 11:20:31 AM »
perpetua wrote:

"That sounds like terrible instruction. In the event of a rear end collision all the force of the accident would be transferred up your leg into your hips and pelvis with your foot on the brake like that. Still, I guess they maybe weren't as aware of these things in the 70s."

I don't follow your logic here.  If you have your foot on your brake pedal and you're struck from behind, the car will tend to lurch forward, moving itself and the pedal away from you, not toward you.  More importantly, unless you're sitting such that you can lock your knee while pressing the pedal (and if you are, you're way too far from the pedals to drive safely), no impact of any kind will transfer up your leg to your hip because your knee will bend.

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