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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6900 on: February 16, 2013, 06:13:15 PM »
Why would they create a way to manually shift gears in an automatic car?  I don't want the hassle of shifting gears, that's why I want an automatic.

I strongly prefer a manual, but they're awful when you're stuck in traffic. I would get a car like that so I could switch to automatic in a traffic jam.


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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6901 on: February 16, 2013, 06:32:07 PM »
Why would they create a way to manually shift gears in an automatic car?  I don't want the hassle of shifting gears, that's why I want an automatic.

I strongly prefer a manual, but they're awful when you're stuck in traffic. I would get a car like that so I could switch to automatic in a traffic jam.

One of the reasons I prefer manuals is the control over the transmission.  There are situations such as traffic, steep grades, hairpin curves and bad weather that can be disastrous if the engine in an automatic decides to shift gears at the exact wrong moment. I actually lost a fair amount of my possessions due to an engine shifting gears going uphill, around a curve and on ice causing a brief loss of traction which caused the trailer that was attached to the RV pulling it to lose traction for just a brief moment, which  caused the back end of the RV and the front end of the trailer to slam into the concrete divider, shifting all my things and breaking quite a few of them. If I knew that I could manually override an automatic transmission, I might be willing to give up my manual.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6902 on: February 16, 2013, 06:44:16 PM »

Why would they create a way to manually shift gears in an automatic car?  I don't want the hassle of shifting gears, that's why I want an automatic.

Two reasons: One; to help you lock down to a lower gear when going down steep grades to avoid overusing your brakes. My old car's automatic transmission had "D 3 2 1" to allow you to do that, my new automatic car has the "sports shift" which allows you to manually override.

Two; To allow you to optimise acceleration. Automatics tend to sacrifice some acceleration in order to save wear and tear on the engine. Also it's fun. You know in manuals how when drivers are accelerating you get the "Vrooom, Vroooooom, Vroooooooom, Vroooooooooooooom" feeling as they accelerate and shift up the gears? That one. I don't bother with it myself unless I'm merging onto a freeway in heavy traffic or something like that because the automatic acceleration is fine on my car, but I can see how drivers might miss that feeling.

Also, as MrsJWine pointed out, I know a fair few people who just enjoy driving a manual but don't want to have the hassle all the time. This is a 'best of both worlds' attempt.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6903 on: February 16, 2013, 06:52:18 PM »
Shortly after I learned how to drive a manual, my parents and I drove from Wisconsin to El Paso, TX. We got stuck in traffic at some point along the way, while I was driving. My clutch leg and foot were on fire.


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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6904 on: February 16, 2013, 06:53:26 PM »
Thanks for all the answers on the auto-manual shifting.

As a follow-up since this is in an automatic car, does anyone know how close to the manual experience this would allow?  If someone would prefer a manual, but take advantage of the ease of an automatic at times, would this be the same experience?

(does not matter to me in the least.  I am far too nervous/anxious a driver to add new steps at this point.  I would like to know how to drive manual, but the learning process would be wracking to me, any teacher involved, and probably the enginve of the learning device...)

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6905 on: February 16, 2013, 07:08:59 PM »
It is not quite the same as you cannot control the clutch.  I had always driven a manual, and loved it, but when i sold my mini cooper (an original not the new one) the car i replaced it with was not available in a manual version.  However it did come with a tiptronic gear box which is the closest thing to  manual box.  In town I. drive it solely automatically, as i cannot be bothered ro keep shifting, but out of town i usually change gear myself.  You cannot feather the clutch or double declutch both oof which would be useful, nor can you drop it into gear and accelerate away crom the lights as i was want to do with the cooper, but you cannot have everything.

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6906 on: February 17, 2013, 11:14:40 AM »
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6907 on: February 17, 2013, 11:24:42 AM »
Thanks for all the answers on the auto-manual shifting.

As a follow-up since this is in an automatic car, does anyone know how close to the manual experience this would allow?  If someone would prefer a manual, but take advantage of the ease of an automatic at times, would this be the same experience?

(does not matter to me in the least.  I am far too nervous/anxious a driver to add new steps at this point.  I would like to know how to drive manual, but the learning process would be wracking to me, any teacher involved, and probably the enginve of the learning device...)
To me, non of the systems that are offered in automatic cars come close to the feeling of a manual car.


Also, All the automatics I have ever driven had some kind of control over the gears, even if it is only the D, 3, 2, 1. I have noticed though that many people do not use these options, for example when driving in the mountains, and/or with heavy trailers etc.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6908 on: February 17, 2013, 11:28:51 AM »
^ or in snowy conditions.

I see so many people struggling to get up a hill (because they don't have snow tires  ::)) where, if they down shifted, they could probably make it, no problem.

I'm not looking forward to getting my next vehicle.  I'm probably going to have to go automatic for the first time since I learned to drive.  I definitely don't want the sport shift but again, may not have a choice.

I'm thinking I won't be able to get a stick shift on a vehicle with all the bells and whistles I want.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6909 on: February 17, 2013, 11:39:14 AM »
Okay, stupid question time: I'm one of those people who rarely or never shift (and never learned how to drive a manual transmission).  I also don't live somewhere I'm driving in a lot of mountains.

But still: which direction is which?  Do I shift to a smaller number going up a hill, or down?  How do I know when I should shift it?  Where does the normal "D" fit in?

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« Reply #6910 on: February 17, 2013, 11:42:32 AM »
Okay, stupid question time: I'm one of those people who rarely or never shift (and never learned how to drive a manual transmission).  I also don't live somewhere I'm driving in a lot of mountains.

But still: which direction is which?  Do I shift to a smaller number going up a hill, or down?  How do I know when I should shift it?  Where does the normal "D" fit in?

We own Jeeps, and the only time we ever downshift is when we're passing through a school zone and want to make sure we don't speed!  Actually, I do downshift on the downward slopes in my hilly little town to make sure I don't speed there too (speed traps).  It keeps me from having to ride my brakes.

Driving in the mountains, even towing our trailer, we have never found the need to downshift.  Our automatic transmissions are very good at regulating themselves. They change gears as necessary. 


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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6911 on: February 17, 2013, 12:00:28 PM »
Oversimplification warning!!!

The lower the gear, the more power to the drive shaft. When you're hauling up a steep grade you want more power in your wheels, hence a lower gear.  When you're driving in snow, you want power to the wheels, but not too much, as too much power will cause them to spin.  In any event, you lose power to the drive shaft entirely during the time it takes to switch gears which could cause problems (note my story in a previous post).

ETA: And by "power", I mean torque.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6912 on: February 17, 2013, 12:06:15 PM »
I've only occasionally driven an automatic and usually find they change gear at different time from when I would, so I dislike the feeling of the decision being taken away from me.
Similarly my current car has headlights which can be set to come on automatically if light conditions justify it, but the car and I have different views on when that should be.

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6913 on: February 17, 2013, 12:50:33 PM »
An automatic will start in 1st gear and move it's way up through the gears as you speed up.  In icy/snowy conditions, in my manual car, I skip 1st gear all together and start in 2nd or 3rd, depending on how slippery it is.  It forces you to ease onto the gas more slowly and keeps you from sliding all over the place.

I do the same in an automatic - I'll switch it into normal drive (D) once I get going.

What I also do in my stick shift in ice conditions is downshift to a lower gear in order to avoid having to put on the brakes, either going down a hill or coming to a stop.  I don't usually go any lower than 2nd gear.  I haven't tried this in an automatic.

ETA a phrase so what I posted makes sense!
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #6914 on: February 17, 2013, 02:53:42 PM »
Okay, stupid question time: I'm one of those people who rarely or never shift (and never learned how to drive a manual transmission).  I also don't live somewhere I'm driving in a lot of mountains.

But still: which direction is which?  Do I shift to a smaller number going up a hill, or down?  How do I know when I should shift it?  Where does the normal "D" fit in?
You actualy shift down both when going up and when going down a hill. If you are going downhill and continuously using your brake, it is probably better to downshift, and let the engine slow you down instead.
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