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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7050 on: March 13, 2013, 03:25:23 PM »
Okay the talk of the different American states, particularly the naming of New Mexico, in the Brain Hurt thread got me thinking...

Now if I remember my grade school history right, the colonies of New Hampshire and New York were named for English places the pilgrims came from, correct? So what Jersey is "New" Jersey named for? I think there are some places out there that are named "New City/Town/Province etc." but don't necessarily have an original counterpart. If so, why the "New"? Can anyone enlighten me on the naming process and the reasoning behind these names?  ???
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« Reply #7051 on: March 13, 2013, 03:31:51 PM »
Okay the talk of the different American states, particularly the naming of New Mexico, in the Brain Hurt thread got me thinking...

Now if I remember my grade school history right, the colonies of New Hampshire and New York were named for English places the pilgrims came from, correct? So what Jersey is "New" Jersey named for? I think there are some places out there that are named "New City/Town/Province etc." but don't necessarily have an original counterpart. If so, why the "New"? Can anyone enlighten me on the naming process and the reasoning behind these names?  ???

Probably this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7052 on: March 13, 2013, 03:33:22 PM »
Jersey is one of the Channel Islands. It isn't technically part of the United Kingdom, but is a Crown Dependency [sic] of the British monarchy. Similarly, it's not actually part of the European Union, but has some of the benefits of membership.
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« Reply #7053 on: March 13, 2013, 11:10:58 PM »
Okay the talk of the different American states, particularly the naming of New Mexico, in the Brain Hurt thread got me thinking...

Now if I remember my grade school history right, the colonies of New Hampshire and New York were named for English places the pilgrims came from, correct? So what Jersey is "New" Jersey named for? I think there are some places out there that are named "New City/Town/Province etc." but don't necessarily have an original counterpart. If so, why the "New"? Can anyone enlighten me on the naming process and the reasoning behind these names?  ???
I have for years had the problem that when Jersey was mentioned in books/films etc. that I never understood what was so special about Jersey that it got so many mentions.

It took me a few years to realize that usualy when Jersey is mentioned, that what is actualy meant is New Jersey, the US state next to New York, and not Jersey, the channel island. (nowadays I just get annoyed at people being to lazy to say/write new)

I actualy don't think there are any places that use new without an original counterpart. The counterpart may no longer exists, have changed names etc. but I think there actualy always is a counterpart. Curious if people can think of a new without an old counterpart.

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7054 on: March 13, 2013, 11:19:12 PM »
Okay the talk of the different American states, particularly the naming of New Mexico, in the Brain Hurt thread got me thinking...

Now if I remember my grade school history right, the colonies of New Hampshire and New York were named for English places the pilgrims came from, correct? So what Jersey is "New" Jersey named for? I think there are some places out there that are named "New City/Town/Province etc." but don't necessarily have an original counterpart. If so, why the "New"? Can anyone enlighten me on the naming process and the reasoning behind these names?  ???
I have for years had the problem that when Jersey was mentioned in books/films etc. that I never understood what was so special about Jersey that it got so many mentions.

It took me a few years to realize that usualy when Jersey is mentioned, that what is actualy meant is New Jersey, the US state next to New York, and not Jersey, the channel island. (nowadays I just get annoyed at people being to lazy to say/write new)

I actualy don't think there are any places that use new without an original counterpart. The counterpart may no longer exists, have changed names etc. but I think there actualy always is a counterpart. Curious if people can think of a new without an old counterpart.

It annoys me as well. Jesery Shore would be very different if it was actually set in Jersey not New Jersey.

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« Reply #7055 on: March 14, 2013, 02:06:11 PM »
I had to think twice recently when someone told me in an excited tone that they were going to Boston for a long weekend. It's a pleasant place, but not that special ..... Oh, she meant Boston in the USA.

Similarly when my mother and I flew to Canada, landing in Toronto, it was very strange seeing the names of towns we were flying over, as though we were doing a crazy tour of the British Isles.

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« Reply #7056 on: March 14, 2013, 02:21:57 PM »
Any Kiwi, or I guess Danish too, people know the answer to this one? I visited Denmark a while ago and learned that one of the Danish islands is called Sjaelland (pronounced as I understand it Zealand). Is then New Zealand a place where many Danish people settled and they named it after their homeland? If so, why the spelling change?
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7057 on: March 14, 2013, 02:26:26 PM »
I believe that it's actually named after Dutch Zeeland (though Wikipedia tells me that both are also known as Zealand and I guess mean the same thing, sea land).

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« Reply #7058 on: March 14, 2013, 02:31:31 PM »
I had no idea there was a Dutch Zeeland.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7059 on: March 14, 2013, 03:33:17 PM »
I had no idea there was a Dutch Zeeland.

There are a lot of "Zees" in Dutch words. I have lived in upstate NY and Jersey (sorry, could not resist!), where there is a lot of Dutch influence. :) There is the Tappan Zee Bridge, for example, that connects Rockland and Westchester Counties via the Hudson River. The Tappan part is Native American, the Zee from the Dutch. And in MI, where I grew up, there a town called Zeeland, near Holland, MI. The Dutch got around!


As far as calling the state I live in Jersey, that is pretty much what the residents call it. You will never hear, "the New Jersey Shore." In formal settings, definitely it is NJ. In casual situations, Jersey is the norm.

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7060 on: March 14, 2013, 03:54:11 PM »
I had no idea there was a Dutch Zeeland.

There are a lot of "Zees" in Dutch words. I have lived in upstate NY and Jersey (sorry, could not resist!), where there is a lot of Dutch influence. :) There is the Tappan Zee Bridge, for example, that connects Rockland and Westchester Counties via the Hudson River. The Tappan part is Native American, the Zee from the Dutch. And in MI, where I grew up, there a town called Zeeland, near Holland, MI. The Dutch got around!


As far as calling the state I live in Jersey, that is pretty much what the residents call it. You will never hear, "the New Jersey Shore." In formal settings, definitely it is NJ. In casual situations, Jersey is the norm.

I live in Zeeland, MI!

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« Reply #7061 on: March 14, 2013, 04:00:18 PM »
I had no idea there was a Dutch Zeeland.

There are a lot of "Zees" in Dutch words. I have lived in upstate NY and Jersey (sorry, could not resist!), where there is a lot of Dutch influence. :) There is the Tappan Zee Bridge, for example, that connects Rockland and Westchester Counties via the Hudson River. The Tappan part is Native American, the Zee from the Dutch. And in MI, where I grew up, there a town called Zeeland, near Holland, MI. The Dutch got around!


As far as calling the state I live in Jersey, that is pretty much what the residents call it. You will never hear, "the New Jersey Shore." In formal settings, definitely it is NJ. In casual situations, Jersey is the norm.

I live in Zeeland, MI!

Hi there, fellow 'gander!  :)

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7062 on: March 14, 2013, 04:02:20 PM »
I had no idea there was a Dutch Zeeland.

There are a lot of "Zees" in Dutch words. I have lived in upstate NY and Jersey (sorry, could not resist!), where there is a lot of Dutch influence. :) There is the Tappan Zee Bridge, for example, that connects Rockland and Westchester Counties via the Hudson River. The Tappan part is Native American, the Zee from the Dutch. And in MI, where I grew up, there a town called Zeeland, near Holland, MI. The Dutch got around!


As far as calling the state I live in Jersey, that is pretty much what the residents call it. You will never hear, "the New Jersey Shore." In formal settings, definitely it is NJ. In casual situations, Jersey is the norm.

I live in Zeeland, MI!

Hi there, fellow 'gander!  :)

Even in Michigan so few people have heard of Zeeland that I just smiled and smiled when I saw your post.   :)


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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7063 on: March 14, 2013, 04:29:44 PM »
I had no idea there was a Dutch Zeeland.

There are a lot of "Zees" in Dutch words. I have lived in upstate NY and Jersey (sorry, could not resist!), where there is a lot of Dutch influence. :) There is the Tappan Zee Bridge, for example, that connects Rockland and Westchester Counties via the Hudson River. The Tappan part is Native American, the Zee from the Dutch. And in MI, where I grew up, there a town called Zeeland, near Holland, MI. The Dutch got around!


As far as calling the state I live in Jersey, that is pretty much what the residents call it. You will never hear, "the New Jersey Shore." In formal settings, definitely it is NJ. In casual situations, Jersey is the norm.
Okay then, why don't New York residents call their city York?  :P
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #7064 on: March 14, 2013, 04:31:33 PM »
I had no idea there was a Dutch Zeeland.

There are a lot of "Zees" in Dutch words. I have lived in upstate NY and Jersey (sorry, could not resist!), where there is a lot of Dutch influence. :) There is the Tappan Zee Bridge, for example, that connects Rockland and Westchester Counties via the Hudson River. The Tappan part is Native American, the Zee from the Dutch. And in MI, where I grew up, there a town called Zeeland, near Holland, MI. The Dutch got around!


As far as calling the state I live in Jersey, that is pretty much what the residents call it. You will never hear, "the New Jersey Shore." In formal settings, definitely it is NJ. In casual situations, Jersey is the norm.
Okay then, why don't New York residents call their city York?  :P

Who knows why language does anything it does? However, what we don't typically say is "New York City." Or "Salt Lake City." Or "City of Los Angeles." Those might be the full, official names, but they're called what they're called.


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