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#### Luci45

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« Reply #7815 on: June 13, 2013, 09:34:23 AM »
When people talk about losing clothing sizes ("I'm on Awesome WeightLoss Plan, and I lost 10 sizes!"), how do you count it? Is it just by the number, so going from a 12 to a 10 is 2 sizes? Or since clothes are pretty much all done in even numbers (in the US, at least, not sure about elsewhere), should you count it that way? Since I can't actually buy an 11 in most sizes, is going from a 12 to a 10 just one size? Just a random question that occurred to me lately.

It's easy - if you're going UP clothing sizes, count by whatever number comes out smallest.  If you're going DOWN, count by whatever number is largest.  So if you go from a 10 to a 14, you went "up" two sizes - but if you lose the weight again, you went down four

In related news, I now keep track of all my walks in kilometers instead of miles, because "I ran three kilometers today!" sounds a lot better than "I couldn't even make two miles before I quit."

I'm switching to SlartiMath!

I'm getting reeeeeeeeally close to my weight loss goal, and I was wanting to do a kind of "before and after" picture with "I lost X pounds and Y sizes!", then realized I didn't know how to calculate it. I guess no one will notice however it is.

I think I have a serious answer to the question. I read someone went down 10 dress sizes, and let's, for argument's sake, saay she is a size 10 now. That would be going down from size 20 to 10 or size 30 to 10. Do they even make a size 30? The largest I have ever seen is a size 22, then 2X, 3X, 4X. I shudder to think that anyone went from a 22 to a 2 - just the excess skin would take up more than a size 2.

So, I have always assumed that it was numbers.  And I do wear a junior size (odd numbers) in some brands, even though I am very senior and round and the proportions should be off.

If I am wrong about 30 being a size, please let me know and throw my logic out the window and put down as "I don't know, either".

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#### Dindrane

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« Reply #7816 on: June 13, 2013, 09:41:53 AM »
Luci, yes there is a size 30. It would correspond to "4X", and tends not to be especially available. Regular sizes run through about a 16, plus sizes sometimes start with 14W or just go right into 18W and go through 24W, and "extended plus" is anything above 24W. Except for stores like Lane Bryant, sizes larger than a 24 are usually only available online.

The "W" designation refers to the cut of clothing. A 14W will usually have a little more room in the hips/bust without adding as much length in places like the arm or inseam (or as much width in the neck opening), when compared with a 14.

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« Reply #7817 on: June 13, 2013, 09:50:21 AM »
I'm thinking of making a craft table for myself by putting a piece of MDF (or wood) on top of some short shelving units.  Can I go to the Home Depot and ask for a piece of MDF (or wood) to be cut to a certain size?

And would wood be easier to work with than MDF?

I built our hobby table out of composite board with a melamine surface. Bought a 4x12 piece from Home Depot and had them cut it in the store (cut a 1' strip the long way and used it as a back splash for the table.) Four pieces of 4x4 for legs and it works great.

You can get iron-on melamine edgebanding to cover the cut edges of the composite board. You can just use your household iron to put it on with.

Thanks. I finished it by screwing a strip of 3/4"x3/4" pine to the front and side edges. We do lots of cutting and it's nice to have a softer spot to do that. I finished the backsplash with some 1/4 round molding. It has three swing-arm lamps and a power strip on top and one underneath. We use it for electronics projects, model building, painting, sculpture. It's not as solid as a real workbench, so for some heavy sawing tasks we have to use a work table we keep outside.
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#### Luci45

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« Reply #7818 on: June 13, 2013, 10:02:00 AM »
Luci, yes there is a size 30. It would correspond to "4X", and tends not to be especially available. Regular sizes run through about a 16, plus sizes sometimes start with 14W or just go right into 18W and go through 24W, and "extended plus" is anything above 24W. Except for stores like Lane Bryant, sizes larger than a 24 are usually only available online.

The "W" designation refers to the cut of clothing. A 14W will usually have a little more room in the hips/bust without adding as much length in places like the arm or inseam (or as much width in the neck opening), when compared with a 14.

Thanks. Please put me in the "I Don't Know" column.

#### Thipu1

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« Reply #7819 on: June 13, 2013, 12:36:30 PM »
I remember my aunt buying 'W' clothing.  That meant that the dresses were cut with 'more room in the muscle and more room in the back'.  That equalled wider sleeves to accommodate fatter arms and fat on the upper back.

Back then, people were a bit more circumspect about body shapes.  Still, clothes for fat boys were said to be 'Husky' while clothes for fat girls were said to be 'Chubettes'.

#### Vall

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« Reply #7820 on: June 13, 2013, 05:18:33 PM »
Roamans sells women's clothing in sizes 12W to 48W.  Here's their sizing chart.  Of course, not all brands' sizing are the same but this is good for a ballpark idea of measurements and what size numbers correspond to how many X's.
http://www.roamans.com/Help/Help_SizeCharts.aspx

#### Dazi

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« Reply #7821 on: June 13, 2013, 05:23:58 PM »
I've noticed an interesting phenomenon that at first I thought was my imagination...

I've lost a considerable amount of weight, though I still have a lot to go to reach my goal.  What I've noticed is that people in general are being much, much nicer to me and a few people who have never been exactly friendly are being so much more friendly it's kind of weird.  I really thought I was imaging the whole thing until a friend asked me about a specific person's 180 behavior towards me.  I'm getting people who've I worked in the same building with for years, who've never even acknowledged my existence congratulating me on my progress.

Has anyone else experienced this?

First of all, congratulations on your weight loss.

There are people who would never admit to being 'sizeist' but they are.  They may see your Progress as an indication that you have will-power.

Oddly enough, I had the opposite experience.  A while back I dropped about 60 pounds and nobody noticed a thing.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge them. Maybe nothing ever stood out about Dazi but now her hard work and determination are getting her noticed.

That's exactly what Thipu said. Now that she's losing weight, she's suddenly seen as having willpower and being worthy of notice. I would bet she's always been hard-working and determined, but sizeist people don't give fat people credit for those traits. What her body looks like should have no bearing on how others perceive her personality/abilities.

I think Bexx27 nailed how I perceive this now.  If you had asked me a year ago, I probably would have told you that I was not treated differently because of my size.  I would have thought it a ridiculous notion.  The truth is the disparity, now that my eyes are open to it, is GLARINGLY obvious. I've always worked hard at everything...now it's like the proverbial veil was lifted and now I'm actually seen.  Also, while it's not everyone I know, it is a good portion and I just find that kind of sad.

I am by no means saying I was treated badly, but I definitely was not treated as openly. Example: There are people who I previously got nothing more than a nod from in passing that are stopping me and asking how I am, how my family is doing, my plans for the weekend, etc.
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#### Mental Magpie

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« Reply #7822 on: June 13, 2013, 07:05:19 PM »
I've noticed an interesting phenomenon that at first I thought was my imagination...

I've lost a considerable amount of weight, though I still have a lot to go to reach my goal.  What I've noticed is that people in general are being much, much nicer to me and a few people who have never been exactly friendly are being so much more friendly it's kind of weird.  I really thought I was imaging the whole thing until a friend asked me about a specific person's 180 behavior towards me.  I'm getting people who've I worked in the same building with for years, who've never even acknowledged my existence congratulating me on my progress.

Has anyone else experienced this?

First of all, congratulations on your weight loss.

There are people who would never admit to being 'sizeist' but they are.  They may see your Progress as an indication that you have will-power.

Oddly enough, I had the opposite experience.  A while back I dropped about 60 pounds and nobody noticed a thing.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge them. Maybe nothing ever stood out about Dazi but now her hard work and determination are getting her noticed.

That's exactly what Thipu said. Now that she's losing weight, she's suddenly seen as having willpower and being worthy of notice. I would bet she's always been hard-working and determined, but sizeist people don't give fat people credit for those traits. What her body looks like should have no bearing on how others perceive her personality/abilities.

I think Bexx27 nailed how I perceive this now.  If you had asked me a year ago, I probably would have told you that I was not treated differently because of my size.  I would have thought it a ridiculous notion.  The truth is the disparity, now that my eyes are open to it, is GLARINGLY obvious. I've always worked hard at everything...now it's like the proverbial veil was lifted and now I'm actually seen.  Also, while it's not everyone I know, it is a good portion and I just find that kind of sad.

I am by no means saying I was treated badly, but I definitely was not treated as openly. Example: There are people who I previously got nothing more than a nod from in passing that are stopping me and asking how I am, how my family is doing, my plans for the weekend, etc.

I wasn't clear on what I meant and with more information from you, I can see we're talking about 2 completely different things.  I was speaking in generalities so please don't think what I say next is directed at you; it was part of what I meant in general.  What I was trying to say is maybe someone wasn't a hard worker to begin with and now that the person has made a change to work hard THAT is what people are noticing.  Maybe a person was grumpy before, but now the working hard has improved their attitude and THAT is what people are responding to.  All I meant to say was it could be something else other than the weight loss in this situation, ie causation and correlation are not the same thing.
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#### Ereine

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« Reply #7823 on: June 13, 2013, 11:33:33 PM »
I've noticed an interesting phenomenon that at first I thought was my imagination...

I've lost a considerable amount of weight, though I still have a lot to go to reach my goal.  What I've noticed is that people in general are being much, much nicer to me and a few people who have never been exactly friendly are being so much more friendly it's kind of weird.  I really thought I was imaging the whole thing until a friend asked me about a specific person's 180 behavior towards me.  I'm getting people who've I worked in the same building with for years, who've never even acknowledged my existence congratulating me on my progress.

Has anyone else experienced this?

First of all, congratulations on your weight loss.

There are people who would never admit to being 'sizeist' but they are.  They may see your Progress as an indication that you have will-power.

Oddly enough, I had the opposite experience.  A while back I dropped about 60 pounds and nobody noticed a thing.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge them. Maybe nothing ever stood out about Dazi but now her hard work and determination are getting her noticed.

That's exactly what Thipu said. Now that she's losing weight, she's suddenly seen as having willpower and being worthy of notice. I would bet she's always been hard-working and determined, but sizeist people don't give fat people credit for those traits. What her body looks like should have no bearing on how others perceive her personality/abilities.

I think Bexx27 nailed how I perceive this now.  If you had asked me a year ago, I probably would have told you that I was not treated differently because of my size.  I would have thought it a ridiculous notion.  The truth is the disparity, now that my eyes are open to it, is GLARINGLY obvious. I've always worked hard at everything...now it's like the proverbial veil was lifted and now I'm actually seen.  Also, while it's not everyone I know, it is a good portion and I just find that kind of sad.

I am by no means saying I was treated badly, but I definitely was not treated as openly. Example: There are people who I previously got nothing more than a nod from in passing that are stopping me and asking how I am, how my family is doing, my plans for the weekend, etc.

I wasn't clear on what I meant and with more information from you, I can see we're talking about 2 completely different things.  I was speaking in generalities so please don't think what I say next is directed at you; it was part of what I meant in general.  What I was trying to say is maybe someone wasn't a hard worker to begin with and now that the person has made a change to work hard THAT is what people are noticing.  Maybe a person was grumpy before, but now the working hard has improved their attitude and THAT is what people are responding to.  All I meant to say was it could be something else other than the weight loss in this situation, ie causation and correlation are not the same thing.

I'm sorry, this is probably due to my not so perfect language skills and not really understanding what generalities means but it did seem to me that you were talking about Dazi in particular and implying that her coworkers didn't have reason to be nice to her before. I actually thought that you meant it sort of like before Dazi was just one of the faceless masses but now that her hair is purple she's standing out and people are remembering who she is, which doesn't seem as unkind.

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« Reply #7824 on: June 13, 2013, 11:44:35 PM »
When people talk about losing clothing sizes ("I'm on Awesome WeightLoss Plan, and I lost 10 sizes!"), how do you count it? Is it just by the number, so going from a 12 to a 10 is 2 sizes? Or since clothes are pretty much all done in even numbers (in the US, at least, not sure about elsewhere), should you count it that way? Since I can't actually buy an 11 in most sizes, is going from a 12 to a 10 just one size? Just a random question that occurred to me lately.

It's easy - if you're going UP clothing sizes, count by whatever number comes out smallest.  If you're going DOWN, count by whatever number is largest.  So if you go from a 10 to a 14, you went "up" two sizes - but if you lose the weight again, you went down four

In related news, I now keep track of all my walks in kilometers instead of miles, because "I ran three kilometers today!" sounds a lot better than "I couldn't even make two miles before I quit."

This reminds me of a comedian I saw posing like people do on weight watchers ads, saying, "I used to weigh a staggering 150 pounds, but now I only weigh 68 kilograms, thanks to the metric system!"

Better still, I want a scale that measures in stone.  Because 15 stone sounds so much better than 154+.
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« Reply #7825 on: June 14, 2013, 12:11:46 AM »
I saw these in a recent post. There was a mention of someone, like a teenager (I think) being an "emo." I have a vague idea as to what it may be about but am not sure. A "brony" was also mentioned. What exactly are both of those?
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« Reply #7826 on: June 14, 2013, 01:10:45 AM »
Emo is literally short for "emotional" - think unhappy goth who thinks the world wants them to Die Die Die. Unfortunately, most people use the term for just about any display of negative emotion, so it's gotten skewed.

Brony - a male fan of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. A portmanteau of "bro" and "pony". They think they're extra-special because they're fans of a kids' cartoon. Not all of them are bad, but most of them think they're seriously entitled to fandom bowing at their feet because they're MANLY MEN who watch a cute little children's show...
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« Reply #7827 on: June 14, 2013, 03:25:49 AM »
Emo is literally short for "emotional" - think unhappy goth who thinks the world wants them to Die Die Die. Unfortunately, most people use the term for just about any display of negative emotion, so it's gotten skewed.

Brony - a male fan of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. A portmanteau of "bro" and "pony". They think they're extra-special because they're fans of a kids' cartoon. Not all of them are bad, but most of them think they're seriously entitled to fandom bowing at their feet because they're MANLY MEN who watch a cute little children's show...

I'd put a slightly different spin on those:

Teens (and it's almost always teens) who consider themselves "emo" aren't necessarily depressed, but generally take that "teenage angst" thing to the extreme.  It's a subculture which glorifies suicide and "cutting" (a self-harming activity some people do, either with or without the intention of actually committing suicide).  In my experience there are just as many emo guys as there are girls and the fashions usually present in similar ways - lots of black, unusually colored/styled hair (often also black), black painted nails for both genders.  Self-identifying as "emo" is a risk sign for depression and suicide, but isn't necessarily an indicator - some kids just enjoy finding an identity.

"Bronies" are guys (teens or adults) who are fans of the show "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic," which is a re-make of the 1980's cartoons.  It's actually a very good show and I'd recommend anyone who has Netflix to give it a try even if you don't have kids.  I don't know where any of Liliane's "entitled" aspect comes from, honestly - several of my friends consider themselves bronies and it's mostly done in good fun.  (There's a definite aspect of "I know I'm not the demographic for this show but I'm embracing it anyway and there's irony in that", but also they just like the show!)

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« Reply #7828 on: June 14, 2013, 10:09:25 AM »
Emo is literally short for "emotional" - think unhappy goth who thinks the world wants them to Die Die Die. Unfortunately, most people use the term for just about any display of negative emotion, so it's gotten skewed.

Brony - a male fan of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. A portmanteau of "bro" and "pony". They think they're extra-special because they're fans of a kids' cartoon. Not all of them are bad, but most of them think they're seriously entitled to fandom bowing at their feet because they're MANLY MEN who watch a cute little children's show...

I'd put a slightly different spin on those:

Teens (and it's almost always teens) who consider themselves "emo" aren't necessarily depressed, but generally take that "teenage angst" thing to the extreme.  It's a subculture which glorifies suicide and "cutting" (a self-harming activity some people do, either with or without the intention of actually committing suicide).  In my experience there are just as many emo guys as there are girls and the fashions usually present in similar ways - lots of black, unusually colored/styled hair (often also black), black painted nails for both genders.  Self-identifying as "emo" is a risk sign for depression and suicide, but isn't necessarily an indicator - some kids just enjoy finding an identity.

"Bronies" are guys (teens or adults) who are fans of the show "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic," which is a re-make of the 1980's cartoons.  It's actually a very good show and I'd recommend anyone who has Netflix to give it a try even if you don't have kids.  I don't know where any of Liliane's "entitled" aspect comes from, honestly - several of my friends consider themselves bronies and it's mostly done in good fun.  (There's a definite aspect of "I know I'm not the demographic for this show but I'm embracing it anyway and there's irony in that", but also they just like the show!)

I'd like to add that a good number of female fans of MLP:FiM are identifying as bronies as well. Mostly because "pegasisters" just doesn't sound right. I'm proud to be a brony, and it's actually helped with my anxiety. I carried around a stuffed pony at a convention and the random people who came up to talk to me about it were some of the nicest strangers I've ever had the chance to come across. One of the biggest things that I've learned from the brony subculture is spreading love and tolerance, often a bit forcefully. As in "I will love and tolerate the s**t out of you!"

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« Reply #7829 on: June 14, 2013, 01:26:35 PM »
I don't know where any of Liliane's "entitled" aspect comes from, honestly - several of my friends consider themselves bronies and it's mostly done in good fun.  (There's a definite aspect of "I know I'm not the demographic for this show but I'm embracing it anyway and there's irony in that", but also they just like the show!)

I didn't mean to imply all of them are like that! I know a few awesome bronies myself, though I'm not personally into the show. I'm sorry if it came out that way!

I'd like to add that a good number of female fans of MLP:FiM are identifying as bronies as well. Mostly because "pegasisters" just doesn't sound right. I'm proud to be a brony, and it's actually helped with my anxiety. I carried around a stuffed pony at a convention and the random people who came up to talk to me about it were some of the nicest strangers I've ever had the chance to come across. One of the biggest things that I've learned from the brony subculture is spreading love and tolerance, often a bit forcefully. As in "I will love and tolerate the s**t out of you!"

I'm glad it's helped you out! That's awesome!
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