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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #9585 on: August 17, 2014, 02:10:37 AM »
Over on the reading pet peeves thread, Cabbageweevil said:  "given names for the great majority of males in England were John, Richard, Thomas, William, and James; and for the great majority of females, Mary, Elizabeth, Katherine, and Ann(e). " 

Which I found fascinating, and immediately wondered why it was so?  Surely humankind (even back in history) could have come up with a wider variety of names? 

I understand that names were often passed though the family line, and other names were considered appropriate for first daughters/first sons etc.  Also that names had to be fit for the class the person was born into.  So, some caveats and social conventions to adhere to, but I still wondered why we have such a myriad of names now as opposed to a very small amount of choice previously.

Also, what about other cultures?  I gather that children in certain cultures are given names which reflect their birth order (Wayan, I seem to recall is the number "One" son in Bali.)  Or some cultures don't name children until a certain time limit is passed, but may use a generic name, if any.

What do others know of naming customs?  Curious here.
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« Reply #9586 on: August 17, 2014, 03:31:54 AM »
I think that in Finland people (at least the common folk and for a long time Finnish names were mostly only for the lower classes) chose mostly names from the saint calendar (which still exists today, though has evolved into a secular calendar of name days) and presumably the most popular saints got the most namesakes. So Juho/Johannes/Jussi (for John the Baptist), Maaria/Maria, Anna, Katariina/Katriina/Katri/Kaisa and so on. Name day celebrations were a big thing, as people might not know their birthdays.

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #9587 on: August 17, 2014, 05:14:58 AM »
At one time you were only allowed to use biblical names in England.

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« Reply #9588 on: August 17, 2014, 07:00:43 AM »
Has there ever been a set of conjoined twins among the Amish ? Because the only results I can find on Google are jokey ones about "ha ha, I'm surprised TLC doesn't have a show about that." It's just one of those random things that popped into my head at lunch today.

I don't know, but if it ever has, I seriously doubt it would be made public. So Google wouldn't know either.
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« Reply #9589 on: August 17, 2014, 09:43:30 AM »
At one time you were only allowed to use biblical names in England.
Not exactly.  The Church insisted on saints' names, rather than biblical.  There were plenty of names in the Bible that didn't get used until the Protestant reformation.

There are a lot of historical name sources online, thanks to the SCA.  Period, documentable names, in such gracious plenty that no aspiring author needs to settle for Elizabeth/Mary/Katharine/Anne, or a jarring modern name like Legend. 
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« Reply #9590 on: August 17, 2014, 01:06:29 PM »
Over on the reading pet peeves thread, Cabbageweevil said:  "given names for the great majority of males in England were John, Richard, Thomas, William, and James; and for the great majority of females, Mary, Elizabeth, Katherine, and Ann(e). " 

Which I found fascinating, and immediately wondered why it was so?  Surely humankind (even back in history) could have come up with a wider variety of names? 

I understand that names were often passed though the family line, and other names were considered appropriate for first daughters/first sons etc.  Also that names had to be fit for the class the person was born into.  So, some caveats and social conventions to adhere to, but I still wondered why we have such a myriad of names now as opposed to a very small amount of choice previously.

Also, what about other cultures?  I gather that children in certain cultures are given names which reflect their birth order (Wayan, I seem to recall is the number "One" son in Bali.)  Or some cultures don't name children until a certain time limit is passed, but may use a generic name, if any.

What do others know of naming customs?  Curious here.

I don't know about the boys' names, but the reason for those four girls' names are (retrospectively) fairly obvious.  Anne and Mary are the most common saint names for girls, so they showed up a lot.  Elizabeth and Katherine were both very common because they each have so many variations.  You could have an entire football team of Katherine Elizabeths, with each having a different, name-derived nickname.
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« Reply #9591 on: August 17, 2014, 01:37:11 PM »
What do others know of naming customs?  Curious here.
In Zulu/Xhosa traditions, a child will be named by the paternal grandfather, with no input from the parents. Names aren't really just words like "Katherine" or "Emily", they are words with direct meanings (like Chastity or Mercy). The child can be named along a number of different themes including:

- named after famous people (e.g. Nelson Mandela was named after Lord Nelson, Kaiser for Kaiser Wilhelm is another common one.)

- named after aspirations of what they want the child to become (e.g. Doctor Kumalo, and I've worked with a Sheriff)

- named after the character they want the child to have (e.g. Nhlanhla means lucky, Dumisile means praised)

- named after something happening around the time of the child's birth (so if you have a lot of children, you might name the new baby Anele, which means enough. Or if you want more, you might name the child Andile which means to multiply. If a child is born in a difficult time in the family's life, they might name it Ayanda meaning the family are arguing)

- named in response to the birth of the child (e.g. Bongiwe meaning we are grateful, Dumazile meaning she disappoints).

There's a nice long list of names with meanings here to give you some idea of the diversity:
http://namesforafrica.wordpress.com/zulu-girl-names/

Imagine going through life named "Disappointment" or "FamilyArgument".  :P
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« Reply #9592 on: August 17, 2014, 03:26:42 PM »
...Imagine going through life named "Disappointment" or "FamilyArgument".  :P

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« Reply #9593 on: August 17, 2014, 09:09:06 PM »


I don't know about the boys' names, but the reason for those four girls' names are (retrospectively) fairly obvious.  Anne and Mary are the most common saint names for girls, so they showed up a lot.  Elizabeth and Katherine were both very common because they each have so many variations.  You could have an entire football team of Katherine Elizabeths, with each having a different, name-derived nickname.
It was also common to name your child after the currently reigning monarchs.  Henry VIII's fifth and sixth queens, Catherine Howard and Kathryn Parr, were both named for his first queen, Katharine of Aragon.
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« Reply #9594 on: August 21, 2014, 11:03:23 AM »
I am stupid from sleep deprivation, so can anyone help me understand this exchange?

Our travel office recently changed its policy. We used to have to submit both authorization and reimbursement forms to the Dean's office for approval before submitting them to the travel office. The new policy is that authorizations don't have to be submitted to the Dean's office first. So yesterday I filled out a bunch of reimbursement forms and sent them to the Dean's office. Today I get an email from the department budget guy.

Him: We no longer need to get the Dean's office to sign travel authorizations or reimbursements.

Me: Thanks, that's good to know. I thought that was only for authorizations, not reimbursements.

Him: Yes, you are correct. The new policy only applies to authorizations.

Me: OK, so I do still need to submit reimbursements to the Dean's office?

Him: No, send them directly to the travel office.

 ??? ??? ???
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« Reply #9595 on: August 21, 2014, 01:41:18 PM »
I am stupid from sleep deprivation, so can anyone help me understand this exchange?

Our travel office recently changed its policy. We used to have to submit both authorization and reimbursement forms to the Dean's office for approval before submitting them to the travel office. The new policy is that authorizations don't have to be submitted to the Dean's office first. So yesterday I filled out a bunch of reimbursement forms and sent them to the Dean's office. Today I get an email from the department budget guy.

Him: We no longer need to get the Dean's office to sign travel authorizations or reimbursements.

Me: Thanks, that's good to know. I thought that was only for authorizations, not reimbursements.

Him: Yes, you are correct. The new policy only applies to authorizations.

Me: OK, so I do still need to submit reimbursements to the Dean's office?

Him: No, send them directly to the travel office.

 ??? ??? ???

I would send back a quick message

Hi [DBG],

In your initial message you stated "We no longer need to get the Dean's office to sign travel authorizations or reimbursements." However in your follow up message you stated " The new policy only applies to authorizations.".  These seem to be two totally different policies.  Can you please clarify which forms, if any, need to be sent to the Dean's office first? 

Thanks,

Bexx


I'd copy and paste his actual wording that way there's no confusion with paraphrasing

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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #9596 on: August 22, 2014, 04:02:44 PM »
I'm reading the website notalwaysright today and I don't understand this one:
http://notalwaysright.com/life-through-an-outrageous-lens/39359

What kind of revenge is buying something and turning around to return it right away? People do this all the time when they change their minds.

Also, does this behavior really affect credit ratings?

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« Reply #9597 on: August 22, 2014, 04:08:19 PM »
I'm reading the website notalwaysright today and I don't understand this one:
http://notalwaysright.com/life-through-an-outrageous-lens/39359

What kind of revenge is buying something and turning around to return it right away? People do this all the time when they change their minds.

Also, does this behavior really affect credit ratings?

I think that the customer is trying to make the company spend money by paying the people who sell her the stuff then paying the people who are working with her on returning the stuff to inventory.

It might not do anything to her credit history - I'm not an expert.

But I do remember seeing an article on a number of retail businesses changing their practices to track returns and trying to limit the number of returns that a customer can do.  Apparently it is really bad in some expensive purchases where something will be bought, used briefly, then returned - in effect the customer is trying to "rent" the product...and some of the stores are tired of it. 

Others may charge a small "restocking" fee unless the item is defective or still sealed...

But I don't do enough returns to keep track of most company's return policies.
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #9598 on: August 22, 2014, 04:19:49 PM »
I'm reading the website notalwaysright today and I don't understand this one:
http://notalwaysright.com/life-through-an-outrageous-lens/39359

What kind of revenge is buying something and turning around to return it right away? People do this all the time when they change their minds.

Also, does this behavior really affect credit ratings?
I don't know if it can affect credit ratings but such behavior can trigger fraud alerts on some cards. I bought a pair of pants. I was signing the screen when the clerk noticed something wrong. She had to do a return/exchange. I was walking out of the store - when the fraud department from my bank called.

I had recently changed my address, ordered new checks, and then tried to buy a computer with the checks. That had tripped a fraud department. So my account had more sensitive trigger at the time. I was also getting called every time my amazon instant season passes went through. (I buy gift cards from the grocery store and get gas points now).
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Re: The "This Might Be A Stupid Question, But...." Thread
« Reply #9599 on: August 22, 2014, 04:33:40 PM »
I'm reading the website notalwaysright today and I don't understand this one:
http://notalwaysright.com/life-through-an-outrageous-lens/39359

What kind of revenge is buying something and turning around to return it right away? People do this all the time when they change their minds.

Also, does this behavior really affect credit ratings?

I think that the customer is trying to make the company spend money by paying the people who sell her the stuff then paying the people who are working with her on returning the stuff to inventory.

It might not do anything to her credit history - I'm not an expert.

But I do remember seeing an article on a number of retail businesses changing their practices to track returns and trying to limit the number of returns that a customer can do.  Apparently it is really bad in some expensive purchases where something will be bought, used briefly, then returned - in effect the customer is trying to "rent" the product...and some of the stores are tired of it. 

Others may charge a small "restocking" fee unless the item is defective or still sealed...

But I don't do enough returns to keep track of most company's return policies.

I don't know about the credit rating. But if she immediately walks over to customer service without leaving the store, she's not doing anything but wasting her own time. Both the service people and the sales people are paid to be there whether she returns it or not, so the store does not gain or lose anything by her foolishness.

If people return something they might have used, it is more of a loss, since we can't usually put it back on the shelf. And if they return certain flagged items such as game systems, the unit has to be totally sealed and checked over. There have been too many people buying things and ripping the guts out, then returning an empty shell to the store. IIRC, I think we even have to call in the serial number to make sure it isn't a stolen one.

Some stores do red flag certain customers for possible return fraud (too many returns, odd returns) or other such issues. So that could go badly for her if she ever wanted to return anything in the future. ;D
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