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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2006, 08:34:13 PM »
Oh my.   I think I'd be making other plans for the holidays.  Something far, far away....

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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2006, 09:02:36 PM »
My DH usually likes to make the argument that they are older and can't take care of themselves very well, so they need our help.
great, that's the excuse for THEIR behavior.  and if you are expected to cook the meal, i vote that you set the meal.  zip's suggestion of ordering a pre-cooked meal works well for me.  if YOU will end up cooking, you can determine what you want to cook.

but what irritates me in your story is your DH.  he's sitting around, wanting you to heat him up a snack and wait on him.  oh no, i don't think so!  do you do that at your home?

i had that situation with my own in-laws many many  years ago.  we were home visiting, we finished a meal, i stood up and started to help clear the table, and my DH started to hand me his plate and walk out of the kitchen.  well, he helped clear and do the dishes at our home, he could darn well help at his parents' house, which i stated, very matter-of-factly.  he helped with the dishes.  his parents were shocked.  i would be more angry at your DH taking you for granted than your in-laws.  and that old folks thing?  bull.

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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2006, 10:07:41 PM »
Peaches, I feel so awful for you and I'm going to phrase this as gently as possible. I think that your family is getting sick at very interesting times and I think that they are abusing you. Next year, tell hubby that the two of you are staying home, tell the inlaws that you are staying home and stand firm. Tell your husband that you are sick and tired of being the maid and putting up with the crappy way his father behaves and you're not going to do it anymore. Period.
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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2006, 11:19:47 PM »
I think you should:
1) have a long talk with your husband about his parents' profound lack of respect for you each year during the holidays, and make it clear that you will not put up with it again.
2) make other plans for the holidays in the future that don't include your ILs, and possibly not your husband if he won't accept boundaries set in #1.  They take advantage of you each year and your husband shows a profound lack of respect for you by expecting you to suck it up and accept it every time it happens.

If your husband complains, tell him he is welcome to go visit them himself, but as you are not going to wait on them or cook for them.
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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2006, 09:23:02 AM »


Another option might be to tell MIL that you will not be coming on the holidays any more since the burden of preparing for them always seems to make her ill - you'll get together at your home during a less stressful time.



I think this reply hits the bullseye. I'd also tell DH that same thing. And this is why you're 1) staying at home this year (ILs are welcome to come to you) or 2) taking a well deserved vacation (as suggested by several other posters).

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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2006, 09:32:03 AM »
Thanks, everyone. I have to say I blame myself for allowing it to get this far. I never have been very good at standing up for myself, and I am nice to a fault, with the result that I let people walk all over me. When I finally wake up and realize what happened, I've gone so far down the road that the situation ends up being like one of those equestrian events when the horse realizes too late that he's not going to make it over the jump, so he skids to a halt and the rider flies off. My DH had a falling out with my dad shortly after we were married and he very clamly told me that he would never stand in the way of me visiting them, but he would not be accompanying me if I went. It might be time to turn the tables. 
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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2006, 10:56:12 AM »
Obviously, I find it suspicious that MIL gets sick every Christmas, more so that she tricks you into believing that she's fine until you get there and suddenly she's too ill to function. I find even more suspicious that your DH starts developing a sinus infection every time you go down there, meaning you're the "only one functional" enough to cook and clean.  >:(

This is all PA, manipulative behavior that will drive you nuts if you don't stop it now. DH needs to be told that you will not be waiting on him or his family simply because they expect it. (SHAME on him!) It's your holiday too, and it's not fair for him to bully you with the "they're so feeble and old" routine. They're well enough to boss you around and object that it's not Christmas without yams, three kinds of pie, etc.

If they're sick next year, send them a Heavenly Ham meal and wish them the best. Stay home and start your own traditions. If they're well, tell them to come to your house for Christmas. It's still a holiday if it's at your house. Traditions must change over time.

If they refuse to come to you and DH insists on going there, let him. You stay home and have a restful holiday. Or better yet, go on a cruise. I like that suggestion.
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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2006, 11:14:01 AM »
Redleo12, the whole time I was reading your post I was thinking

1. Your DH is turning into his father (especially when he's at their house).  FIL has surely set him an example - a bad one.

2. Take a trip at Christmas.

3. Good for you for standing up to them!
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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2006, 12:35:29 PM »
Redleo, I vaguely remember that these people got angry at you once for leaving a party for two hours out of an entire wedding weekend so you could see your father for the first time in three years. Am I correct?

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My MIL is very PA, and a couple of years ago on the old board, people gave me some excellent tips for not being a doormat. Like you, I like to make people feel happy and do things for them as long as I can, and each of the things you describe is something little that doesn't take too much out of you, so it seems stupid to object to. It's taken as a whole that it's bad.

I struggled for a long time that I was being "mean" to them if I didn't give them everything they even hinted they wanted, even when it involved mind-reading. Then I realized, I'm not responsible for that. It felt awkward at first, but when it finally kicked in and worked, I was 100% more relaxed.

Here's what I did, and it made life a lot more liveable:

a) Oblique statements are not requests and do not need to be treated as such.  Witness:

FIL: This lasagna is cold and should be reheated.
Redleo: Oh, okay. {resentfully reheats the lasagna.}

VERSUS THIS EXCHANGE:

FIL: This lasagna is cold and should be reheated.
Redleo: Yeah, I hate cold lasagna.
{silence}
FIL: It's really not worth eating it.
Redleo: I wouldn't eat it cold either.
FIL: Here.
Redleo: No, I don't want to eat it.

Do you see what happens in that exchange? You move the person from a position of issuing vague orders to actually becoming explicitly a bully. The next part of the exchange will either be your FIL demanding you heat it up, and looking like a jerk (at which point you can brightly say, "oh! Did you expect ME to heat it up for you? Why didn't you say?") or else he'll turn his bullying to someone else.

This is called "judicious stupidity." You are, as of this moment, blind and deaf to anything that is not a direct request.

Second: it's time to cook the meal and no one gets up to cook it.

Solution: you don't cook it either.

Simply don't get off your chair. When you go, pack a secret stash of high-protein snacks that do not need to be refrigerated, and eat them to keep up your strength while the rest of the family waits around for someone (ie, you) to come cook the meal for them. Go read a book somewhere, and when they wander around saying oblique things like "It's four o'clock--shouldn't the ham be in the oven?" you can say, "Yes, it's four o'clock, and if we want to eat by six, the ham should be in the oven."

Third: No one cleans up.

Solution: Neither do you.

Leave the dishes in the sink. This will be interesting after a few days, no?

Problem: Your husband is protecting his parents.

Solution: This one is tougher, but you by giving in and doing these things for them, then complaining afterward, are perpetuating the cycle by leaving him in the role he finds familiar: being the dutiful son who protects his parents from his wife's unjustifiable anger. (hah)  You need to change your part in this exchange in order to force him out of his comfort zone. That is to say, when your FIL demands you tie his shoe because he can't be bothered to bend over, you can calmlty and unemotionally say, "You can do that for yourself. I will not do it." Then wait. Don't react, just respond quietly by asserting your right to decide what your role is as a guest in their home. Once you begin handling your issues with his parents, then your husband will feel a quiet pressure to do the same.

I recommend the book "The Dance of Anger" by Harriet Lerner for more about how to do that.

Good luck. I second/third/4th the advice to turn around and drive home if you arrive and everyone is "sick."

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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2006, 12:51:04 PM »
If Redleo consents to go back these people's house for the next Helliday, I think that is precisely how to handle it.  It should ring awfully familiar to them.  It results, after all, in exactly what they do. Which is nothing.  I totally support this approach if she can't get away or get Honeybaked.

I agree that the problem with her husband's behavior is the most difficult.  It's very hard for adults to overcome behaving, in the homes of their youth and with the families that reared them, as though they still have the same roles they had in their youth.  Redleo's husband however, is not still their child.  He's her husband, and his role MUST change.  I would love to see him say "I'm not going to let Redleo cook and clean this year at the hellidays.  That's one of my gifts to her, so we'll be having dinner at X in Our Lovely Town, and you're welcome to join us."

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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2006, 12:57:32 PM »
Good luck. I second/third/4th the advice to turn around and drive home if you arrive and everyone is "sick."

I agree with everything Tabris said and will add this (that I think someone else may have already said), don't even get in the car if DH starts feeling "sick" before you leave the house.

When I was a teenager, I had to vacuum and pick up odds and ends in the living room and clean my room every weekend before I could go out anywhere. I totally hated it, because my other friends had stay-at-home moms who did all the housework while they were in school. I'm not proud of this, but every single Saturday, I had a headache (very painful). I'd try to get out of my work because of the headache. Later, when it was time to go somewhere, my headache subsided and I felt fine. Now, I have to point out that these were real, genuine headaches, but they happened because I didn't want to do something. Finally, my dad pointed out how convenient my "every Saturday morning" headaches were and made me do the work anyway while I suffered. Guess what? The headaches stopped.

It sounds like MIL and DH are having those Saturday morning headaches in their own ways, and FIL just sounds useless. I think the reactions that Tabris described in response to his demands are perfect. I wouldn't do a thing for him if he demanded it. If I was going for a cup of coffee anyway, I might ask if he wanted one, too, but otherwise, unless he asks, his comments on how good a cup of coffee would be would fall on deaf ears. Or, as Tabris said, you could say, "Yes, a cup of coffee does sound good." (No other reaction)
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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2006, 01:02:39 PM »
Wow.  You might be on to something.

Mo-In-Law malingering kidney failure instead of a headache, though?  That would be quite....uhm....inventive.

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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2006, 01:16:37 PM »
Gosh RedLeo,

It sounds like your mother had a rough Christmas as well.  Perhaps, if you and DH offered to buy her a gift, she would come to your house.  Then, it falls on your MIL and FIL to either travel to you or find another maid to cook them dinner.  Good luck!
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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2006, 01:29:44 PM »
Wow.  You might be on to something.

Mo-In-Law malingering kidney failure instead of a headache, though?  That would be quite....uhm....inventive.

There are some people who read about symptoms of an illness and end up thinking that they have those symptoms.  The OP's MIL may be one of these people.  Besides, is there any way that the OP could argue with her MIL over whether or not she has kidney failure without looking like a jerk? 

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Re: Another fudged-up holiday (LONG VENT)
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2006, 01:40:36 PM »
Point taken. 

"Get over yourself.  You are not in kidney failure.  Sheesh!"  <--- Not terribly polite. 

"Mo-In-Law, what kind of a jerk would expect a woman in kidney failure to entertain guests for a Helliday?  I know *I* am not that kind of a jerk!  Let's catch up another time."  <-- That works.