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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2006, 08:12:55 PM »
What I can't figure out is they are always talking about "clean lines" and then show the "victim" a suit with the blouse hanging out from the bottom of the jacket.  I was taught that this just made you look like a slob.

Or getting a woman to buy tops that make "everybody" look like they are wearing maternity tops

Please forgive the long post, as it isn't too much of a reply to your comment, but more of me rambling on about how much better my clothes fit now that I know what to look for!  :)

>much snippage of good info<

I'm still pretty amazed at how little details make a huge difference when it comes to that.

OK a little background on MY body shape -- I have a very short rise on my pants ( love it when low rise come back in) so almost every pair of pants that I put on, when I pull them to where the crotch BELONGS puts the waistband within an inch or two of the bottom of my bra.  At least the low rise come only to my waist.  And I have a nice pot belly.  So most "dress" pants for women who are an 18 or over, have a pleat front, so the pleats fluff out and make me look pregnant. And I carry excess in my thighs so slim leg pants don't fit either.

I also have larger biceps (factory worker, they grew) so all those "cute little tops" that have a band bottom sleeve,or a short sleeve  - do not go much past my elbow, or are stretched tight enough to be uncomfortable.

I also have to pull up a tank top in the shoulders by at least 2 inches or everyone can look straight through the armholes which are too big.   Empire tops on my figure will NOT hide anything, just make it look bigger.

I have become an expert at altering clothes to fit my weird body shape.  I have already taken very cheap clothes (VCC) and altered them to look more expensive.  I picked up a suit one time that had a very boxie jacket and by the time I was done putting in Princess seams all around and getting rid of the belt. I had a suit that looked almost identical to a $300 suit in the fancy store in the mall.  (including color)

I had to buy a suit for a funeral last month so JC Penny I go -- I found a wonderfull black suit with gold embroideries instead of lapels, gold satin shell, and black pants. As long as I stand still it fits just fine.  But it is just on the edge of not fitting. Sleeves too tight et al.

I have some friends who do not think that I can dress myself without their help.  They took me shopping one day and I tried on everything that they said would look good on me and "fit just fine" 

I brought home no clothes. I'd try them on and come out to show them and get "yuck, take it off" My responce was ''told you it wouldn't fit"

Sorry this got so long. I could keep going but that won't help in the least.

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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2006, 08:31:50 PM »
Oh, you are so right.  I am always blown away that anyone would buy clothing for someone who is not their minor child.

Fact is, you are what you wear, and only you can decide who, or what, that is.  Your mom's intentions are good, but it sounds like she hasn't yet figured out that she can't dress you anymore. 

I wish I had some advice for you on this, but I don't.  But I feel for ya.

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I dont mind when my parents buy me clothes because they know my taste and know where I shop at. But other people goodness just dont buy me clothes. My aunt used to buy me sweaters every year. Now as a teenager I would shop ( and still do) at American Eagle or Ny and Company. People knew this. I would get old lady sweaters or sweaters that were more her taste not mine at all. I just wanted to tell her please stop with the sweaters.

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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2006, 08:55:26 PM »
What I can't figure out is they are always talking about "clean lines" and then show the "victim" a suit with the blouse hanging out from the bottom of the jacket.  I was taught that this just made you look like a slob.

Or getting a woman to buy tops that make "everybody" look like they are wearing maternity tops

Please forgive the long post, as it isn't too much of a reply to your comment, but more of me rambling on about how much better my clothes fit now that I know what to look for!  :)

>much snippage of good info<

I'm still pretty amazed at how little details make a huge difference when it comes to that.

OK a little background on MY body shape -- I have a very short rise on my pants ( love it when low rise come back in) so almost every pair of pants that I put on, when I pull them to where the crotch BELONGS puts the waistband within an inch or two of the bottom of my bra.  At least the low rise come only to my waist.  And I have a nice pot belly.  So most "dress" pants for women who are an 18 or over, have a pleat front, so the pleats fluff out and make me look pregnant. And I carry excess in my thighs so slim leg pants don't fit either.

I also have larger biceps (factory worker, they grew) so all those "cute little tops" that have a band bottom sleeve,or a short sleeve  - do not go much past my elbow, or are stretched tight enough to be uncomfortable.

I also have to pull up a tank top in the shoulders by at least 2 inches or everyone can look straight through the armholes which are too big.   Empire tops on my figure will NOT hide anything, just make it look bigger.

I have become an expert at altering clothes to fit my weird body shape.  I have already taken very cheap clothes (VCC) and altered them to look more expensive.  I picked up a suit one time that had a very boxie jacket and by the time I was done putting in Princess seams all around and getting rid of the belt. I had a suit that looked almost identical to a $300 suit in the fancy store in the mall.  (including color)

I had to buy a suit for a funeral last month so JC Penny I go -- I found a wonderfull black suit with gold embroideries instead of lapels, gold satin shell, and black pants. As long as I stand still it fits just fine.  But it is just on the edge of not fitting. Sleeves too tight et al.

I have some friends who do not think that I can dress myself without their help.  They took me shopping one day and I tried on everything that they said would look good on me and "fit just fine" 

I brought home no clothes. I'd try them on and come out to show them and get "yuck, take it off" My responce was ''told you it wouldn't fit"

Sorry this got so long. I could keep going but that won't help in the least.

Suze

We really should go shopping together. ;)

I love the low-rise, too, as high waisted pants just look like I'm trying to emulate Urkel. It was the really, really low rise that killed me, as I had issues with plumber's butt with my big butt and love handles pushing up. I had to be careful with the low-rise sometimes, because it would push up my flab and give me a nice ring around my waist. But lower waists don't cinch my tummy, as my natural waist is very high and short, so I like my jeans just below my navel.

You know which style I really can't stand? The skinny cigarette pants a la Audrey Hepburn. That's just fabulous... introduce a pant that would only look good on the very tall and very skinny (and maybe not even them!). They would make me look like a stumpy sausage.

It's funny how my best friend was right more times than not when we started working on the wardrobe-revamp, but nowadays, I've been a good student and can retort, "Told you it won't look good!" That's what I said with the brocade jacket.

The most important lesson of all of this was that I finally learned to not buy something simply because it looks good. Just because it looks good on a picture or a mannequin doesn't mean it'll look good on me. I had to let go of some of my favorite colors (sage green) and start wearing some that I didn't particularly enjoy (pink). The pink gets rave reviews... go figure.

That's so awesome that you had a jacket recut and resewn with princess seams. I really should invest more in tailoring, but I'm both too lazy and too cheap. I'm going to have to start, though, as it's not going to get any easier.

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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2006, 09:21:07 PM »
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Please forgive the long post, as it isn't too much of a reply to your comment, but more of me rambling on about how much better my clothes fit now that I know what to look for!  Smiley

BadChemist, please please please come shopping with me!

I know all these tricks exist.  I KNOW that the right clothes can take pounds off of me and add inches to my height.  I TRY to dress like a grownup but being short waisted, short legged, and not exactly svelte makes it hard.

I have always BEGGED my friends to put me on What Not to Wear because even though it's an unrealistic budget, I really need someone to take me in hand and show me the tricks.  I'd look at it like a college course or something.  I'd value the tips more than the budget.  I loathe shopping for clothes because I'm so bad at it.

I've decided at 43 that my only hope is to make enough money to be able to afford to hire someone to dress me, as I'm clearly never going to learn to do it myself.

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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2006, 09:57:46 PM »
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Please forgive the long post, as it isn't too much of a reply to your comment, but more of me rambling on about how much better my clothes fit now that I know what to look for!  Smiley

BadChemist, please please please come shopping with me!

I know all these tricks exist.  I KNOW that the right clothes can take pounds off of me and add inches to my height.  I TRY to dress like a grownup but being short waisted, short legged, and not exactly svelte makes it hard.

I have always BEGGED my friends to put me on What Not to Wear because even though it's an unrealistic budget, I really need someone to take me in hand and show me the tricks.  I'd look at it like a college course or something.  I'd value the tips more than the budget.  I loathe shopping for clothes because I'm so bad at it.

I've decided at 43 that my only hope is to make enough money to be able to afford to hire someone to dress me, as I'm clearly never going to learn to do it myself.

My best friend would be HORRIFIED to hear anyone ask me for shopping tips! ;) She's been a good teacher, though. Let's see... where do you want to start? I'll throw out some stuff out there, but I hope everyone here pitches in, as I'm still learning!

The most generic and important tip I can give you is that if you have ANY doubts about how something looks on you, DON'T BUY IT. I would have saved a lot of money if I had been better at that. You may think "Oh, it's so cute!!" but if it's not cute on you, it's never worth the money, no matter how cheap. Trust me, I've been there. Don't buy anything that's too long or too short, thinking it'll be ok regardless.

The second most important tip is to try something that you'll never think will look good on you. For me, pink shirts, red-orange tanktops, and a jacket that's tighter than I'd like worked out beautifully. Don't be afraid of fitted clothing. Baggy clothes just make the lumps look bigger because they'll drape over them. You just have to look for the snugness to be in the right places. I don't like t-shirts that have spandex in them, because they'll hug my belly. I do, however, like an empire-waist with a v-neck, which gives the illusion that I actually have boobs. Look, Ma! No surgery!

Watch for colors to flatter you. Work with your height. As for being short-legged, I have the same issue, but I hold out for the perfect length pants, even if they're a little pricier. I generally don't like spending a lot on clothes, but I will splurge on a great jacket or perfect-fitting jeans. I've been ordering a ton of jeans from the Gap, because their petite line is only online. I buy enough pairs to get free shipping, then return the ones I don't like or that don't fit.

Don't resort to cuffing too-long pants! That's the biggest sin against creating a clean line. I was doing it for years when my best friend pointed out that it actually made me look SHORTER and my legs stubbier. I was aghast to see that she's right. So, I either hold out until I find the right pair, tailor too-long pairs, or buy longer pants and wear them with the right shoes. My favorite jeans are from American Eagle, but their shortest length is still an inch too long. So, I wear them with flipflips or heels.

Jewelry really dresses up an outfit. I'm obsessed with good necklaces now. Good necklaces do not have to be expensive... the costume stuff will look just as good. A great necklace, however, can dress up a basic top with jeans. So, whenever I'm out and about, I keep an eye out for cool pieces.

Oh, and whatever you do, buy clothing that will go well with more than one other article in your closet! For my OP, that was one of the cons of the jacket my mother gave me... purple didn't work well with my wardrobe and I didn't have anything that matched the colors in the plaid pattern.

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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2006, 10:00:00 PM »
Huh, odd, I'm tiny and extremely thin and I love wearing chunky costume jewelry. Generally when I'm out in public I might have a quarter of my forearms covered in bracelets and a ring on each finger. I like how that looks and I don't care if it's not fashionable. I also love knitted panchos(think Stevie Nicks).


To the OP: That sucks about the blazer. Sometimes I think when people shop for a person they don't see often they pick out what they themself would like thinking the other person would like it too.

I think I get lucky with my mom(I still live at home). She knows what I like and she'll tell others who want to get me clothes to "get x color" and name a material, since there are some materials I can NOT stand to wear. I'll wear pretty much anything as long as I'm given dark colors. I hate light colors because I'm pale skinned and they wash me out. The fact that I wore all white on Christmas was a fluke - I was the only one who wore that color and my intention was to stand out by looking like a Christmas angel. It worked, but I had to put on so much makeup to look human. lol
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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2006, 11:07:02 PM »
I'm 4'10, with a very short rise (even for my size) and a dingdangity pot belly.  I carry most of my weight on my stomach and arms.  Oh, and boobs.  cuss it all to tarnation.

But, I love low rise, becauset hey fit me like normal jeans.  They also tend to be wider at the waist, since they are intended to be lower on the hip.  So I can buy size 10s, which fit my legs great.  At normal rise, even in petites, I end up in 12s, and the legs are beyond baggy. 

But, the shirt outside the blazer/cardigan look works super well for me, because I desperately need a longer line.

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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2006, 12:44:31 AM »
May I make a suggestion for a book that I think just about anyone should read?  Mathis and Connor's Triumph of Individual Style.  It uses images of women in paintings to help you pick out your own features and figure out what looks good on your body, your coloring, your features.   It's quite affirming, and doesn't try to force you into particular slots.  It's also pretty expensive, so check with your public library.


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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2006, 01:47:30 AM »
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Sometimes I think when people shop for a person they don't see often they pick out what they themself would like thinking the other person would like it too.

I totally agree with this. I remember a couple years ago for my birthday, my cousin got me a couple pieces of clothing from Old Navy.  The people in my family who are most apt to buy me clothes know very well what I like, but seem to be unable to actually get me anything that I would come close to liking. My cousin knows I'm not into 'normal' clothing - I'm into bondage pants and mens' t-shirts. While I do have a pair of thrift store jeans that are Old Navy brand that I love, that store is not a place I would go to shop. The clothes she chose looked more like something she'd wear - they were nice clothes, but just not my style.

My aunt Donna knows for a fact that I shop in Hot Topic because she's been with me once when I went in there and she's seen me wearing the apparel. I don't know if she's buying what she likes or buying things I wouldn't wear to irritate me, but in any case she refuses to buy any kind of clothing I would come close to liking. She thinks Hot Topic is a 'devil worshipper' store, so if she buys me clothes, it will be something I would sooner use for kindling than to wear. I'm going on 20 and she still sends me shirts with kittens on them. She knows I wear bondage pants and baggy jeans or flares, and she insisted on sending me a pair of classic-cut jeans...the kind she always wears. I do appreciate the gesture, but I would rather she just send me a card if she doesn't want to be a devil worshipper by buying me an Invader Zim shirt or a pair of raver pants. I think the only clothes she's ever given me that I wore/wear are a plain grey zip-up sweatshirt and some light blue pajama pants.

When people consider buying me clothes, I wish they'd simply get me a gift card or give me a check or cash instead; even if people manage to get me clothes that I like, chances are it won't fit. No one knows what size I take in anything (shirts, pants, shoes...even rings), so almost every time I get something I like, it needs to go back for a different size. *sigh* Oh well.

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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2006, 02:03:16 AM »
My stepmother in law tried for the longest to buy me clothes (something my own mother will not attempt due to me having such weird taste) and you should see some of the goat gifts that came out of that! She never has understood that our styles are totally different and that I do not wear cartoonish t-shirts with precious little kitties or matronly, frumpy blouses with things embroirdered on them. I'm a big ol' hippie and I'd look insane with a doily around my neck!
*Sigh* I just thank her and let the stuff go to Goodwill after an appropriate interval....
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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2006, 06:48:06 AM »

That's so awesome that you had a jacket re-cut and re-sewn with princess seams. I really should invest more in tailoring, but I'm both too lazy and too cheap. I'm going to have to start, though, as it's not going to get any easier.

Did that myself, with a little help from Mom :) She has sewn for me most of my life and I started in Junior High School.  I've been known to refit things on the way out the door. (you don't NEED a sewing machine (but it sure helps)

To refit a jacket into princess seams you put it on inside out, and have someone else start taking away fabric till you get something that fits YOU.  Baste down the seams (so you can get rid of pins) Turn it right side out and if you like the way it looks - sew the new seams and trim excess fabric away. One new jacket.

I usually have to take a "smile" of fabric out of the front of any dress pant to get them to fit.  This gets intresting with a front zipper.

And being in the SCA you almost HAVE to learn to sew or pay gobs of money for outfits.

Look up www.SofisStiches.com beautiful clothes at a price you can't afford. and they are also all dry clean only.

I tried on one outfit and couldn't get my arms in the sleeves (even with the elastic in the underside of them) <sigh>

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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2006, 10:02:37 AM »
I flipped past one today that they were gushing over an outfit on a guy (pants and two shirts layered) and ONLY $500 for the outfit!

I think most of my closet didn't cost that much.


I could buy a WHOLE WARDROBE for $500! Including shoes! Because I tend to wear the same things over and over.

They just annoy me.

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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2006, 10:22:51 AM »
Clothing and accessories always have Pygmalion potential in addition to reflecting the giver's taste more than the recipient's.

My best friend is guilty of this one.  On previous occasions she has given me jewelry that reflects what she thinks we should wear, as women of less than average height (She's 5'1", I am 5'3.5").  The truth is that "delicate" doesn't cut it for either of us.  She is somewhat pudgy so "delicate" makes her look like Aunt Pittypat while it doesn't suit either my personality or wardrobe. 

I have given her larger pieces which is easy with earrings, as she never had her ears pierced.  Since we don't live anywhere near each other I don't know whether she wears any of them anymore.

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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2006, 01:11:24 PM »
Most of my family knows better than to give me clothing.  At best, I get a gift certificate to the fabric store (score!!)
However.....I also freely admit that all of my taste is in my mouth.  I have no idea what to wear.  I own 15 pairs of black pants, and a selection of work shirts. They all match, so I don't have to think in the morning before coffee.  As a general rule, I dress by the 3-B method:  Blue, Boring, or Bright.   Everything I own that is 'tasteful' and 'nice' was bought for me by my mother, and later my sister.  I simply don't have the talent to dress myself. 
So, I welcome clothing gifts from my sister. She has taste. I don't.


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Re: Gifts of clothing
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2006, 01:55:39 PM »
Quick thought -- What if you took the blazer to a tailor, had it converted into something that a.) fit, b.) didn't have shoulder pads, and c.) didn't really look at all like the original and you wore it to Dad's b-day?

That might show Mom what your style is.  And show her that she wasted $200.

The only other option is sending it to me.  I live in Talbots clothing!  And I look great in purple.
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