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Gravy . . . without drippings. Help? Please?
« on: August 02, 2011, 07:43:25 PM »
Today I made a pork tenderloin . . . one of those shrink-wrapped and pre-seasoned (Jenny-O? I think? is the brand?) This one was lemon & garlic. I like these, they are easy to make and turn out moist and tasty but they don't offer much as far as drippings go.

Tonight, I served mashed potatoes with the pork. I would really liked to have had a gravy or some sort of sauce . . . mostly for the mashed potatoes.

I had a can each of beef and chicken broth, but didn't think that would work well with the pork. :-\  I usually try to keep a can of vegetable broth for such occasions, but didn't have any.



Throwing this out for any gravy/sauce recipes that would work well with pork or any other meats that don't provide enough drippings . . .


Thanks in advance! ;D

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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 07:47:09 PM »
I like to use the "Better Than Bullion" stuff to beef up thin gravies.  It's basically fond in a jar and comes in lots of flavors.  Gravies from packets are also good.  But if you don't have either of those, use whatever dripping you have.  I would go with the chicken broth since the pork loin was lemon & garlic.   Toss in some minced up garlic and maybe some mushrooms for bulk.  Maybe add in some other veggies. 
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 10:27:45 PM »
Heeby has some good advice and I have tried it that way as well and they come out pretty good.  though I would add that for the gravies from packets watch the sodium levels; some of them are almost all salt and will destroy the taste of the rest of your food. I find that the McCormick tends to be the best in those cases.

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2011, 10:35:30 PM »
Just a basic white gravy? Those are easy if you can make the drippings style (I grew up with dripping/cornstarch gravies) :)

Use equal parts butter and flour if you want more/less. Don't ever stop stirring the gravy, same as a brown gravy!

4Tbsp Butter- melt in saucepan on a lower heat + stir in 4 Tblsp Flour. Add salt and pepper to taste (I do 1tsp of each, then taste and add at the end). Keep stirring until smooth and slow bubbles appear. Add 2 1/2 cups of milk slowly, while stirring (sit this out ahead of time so it looses it's chill, if possible- closer to room temp is best). heat to boiling for 1-2min. Keep stirring!

Remove from heat, Keep stirring for 2-3min. It will condense.

Enjoy!
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Re: Gravy . . . without drippings. Help? Please?
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2011, 10:38:00 PM »
I keep jars of gravy in my pantry (chicken, turkey, beef, brown) for just this kind of occasion.  They are surprisingly delicious!  Just heat and serve.

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2011, 11:03:53 PM »

If you need to choose between the stocks, chicken stock tends to be much more neutral than other meat broths.

If I were improvising a sauce to go with potatoes and lemon and garlic pork, I think I'd slowly caramelize some sliced onions in butter until nice and brown, dust with flour for the last minute or two of sauteeing,  than add some chicken stock and  reduce it for a bit. For flavouring, I might add a bit of white wine or brandy during the reduction. 

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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2011, 06:47:34 AM »

If you need to choose between the stocks, chicken stock tends to be much more neutral than other meat broths.

If I were improvising a sauce to go with potatoes and lemon and garlic pork, I think I'd slowly caramelize some sliced onions in butter until nice and brown, dust with flour for the last minute or two of sauteeing,  than add some chicken stock and  reduce it for a bit. For flavouring, I might add a bit of white wine or brandy during the reduction.

That sounds pretty similar to what I would probably do, depending on what exactly I had on hand. 

If I had shallots, I would probably use them (diced fine) instead of onions.  And I would add a little garlic and (if I had them on hand) some sauteed mushrooms.  Reduce for a while.  Add some booze and a tish of lemon.  Perhaps add some cold butter at the end to gloss the sauce up.  Drink straight from the gravy boat.  Serve warm.

But, if you are wanting an actual thickened gravy as opposed to a sauce, I would just flavor it up with some onion/shallot, garlic, add some mushrooms (if you have them) and go with the chicken stock.  It is usually neutral enough (at least the canned stuff is) that you won't really notice that it is chicken instead of pork, IMO.

edited to fix glaring (to me anyway) typo
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Re: Gravy . . . without drippings. Help? Please?
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2011, 09:28:05 AM »
I also have garlic and mushroom bullion.

You could make a white gravy that would provide reasonable taste, and chicken broth would be my choice if you had to choose between that and beef.
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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2011, 11:07:45 AM »
My Mom always used 'Bisto' - available in Canada, not sure about the States.

One Christmas, my brother invited his neighbour who was a vegetarian.  I carefully checked the ingredient list on the box of powdered Bisto and there were no meat items listed.  I asked neighbour to double check.

Then I used water drained from the potatoes and carrots, instead of drippings, thickened it with some corn starch and Bisto (you can get a beef version or a poultry version) and voila!  Gravy.

Neighbour was quite impressed - he hadn't eaten gravy in years.
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Re: Gravy . . . without drippings. Help? Please?
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2011, 11:40:07 AM »
My normal gravy for pork is as others have mentioned carmalised onions and mushrooms in a pan and then add cider and use flour to thicken.
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2011, 12:15:02 PM »
My normal gravy for pork is as others have mentioned carmalised onions and mushrooms in a pan and then add cider and use flour to thicken.

I often serve applesauce with pork so apple cider in the gravy would be fantastic!
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Re: Gravy . . . without drippings. Help? Please?
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2011, 08:03:45 PM »
Just a basic white gravy? Those are easy if you can make the drippings style (I grew up with dripping/cornstarch gravies) :)

Use equal parts butter and flour if you want more/less. Don't ever stop stirring the gravy, same as a brown gravy!

4Tbsp Butter- melt in saucepan on a lower heat + stir in 4 Tblsp Flour. Add salt and pepper to taste (I do 1tsp of each, then taste and add at the end). Keep stirring until smooth and slow bubbles appear. Add 2 1/2 cups of milk slowly, while stirring (sit this out ahead of time so it looses it's chill, if possible- closer to room temp is best). heat to boiling for 1-2min. Keep stirring!

Remove from heat, Keep stirring for 2-3min. It will condense.

Enjoy!

Y'know . . .  ::) this is just my ignorance showing through. The above is exactly what I do to start my gravies . . . much less milk and much more broth/drippings.

I never thought of serving a simple white (seasoned) gravy, although I've had it served in restaurants, etc. and found it wonderfully tasty! What's wrong with me?

I didn't have any onions on hand, but I'll remember this in the future.

The apple cider? Next time I pick up a pork loin, I'll make sure to pick up a small bottle of apple cider, too . . . along with the onions and mushrooms. Wow. I'm betting this is will be a hit. ;D

Thanks for the advice on the chicken broth being milder than most in flavors. I probably could have made a gravy with this and no one would have known the difference.

I also have red-wine vinegar (for salad dressings) . . . could this be used instead of wine for gravies?




I guess I'm just stuck in a gravy rut . . . I'm really appreciating all of your suggestions.

I'm glad I posted! ;D

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Re: Gravy . . . without drippings. Help? Please?
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2011, 08:35:19 PM »
My Mom always used 'Bisto' - available in Canada, not sure about the States.

One Christmas, my brother invited his neighbour who was a vegetarian.  I carefully checked the ingredient list on the box of powdered Bisto and there were no meat items listed.  I asked neighbour to double check.

Then I used water drained from the potatoes and carrots, instead of drippings, thickened it with some corn starch and Bisto (you can get a beef version or a poultry version) and voila!  Gravy.

Neighbour was quite impressed - he hadn't eaten gravy in years.


Bisto is indeed great stuff.  I was always gravy-challenged before someone suggested this to me.

It's a darkener as well as a thickener.

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« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2011, 10:41:23 PM »

Wine vinegar isn't a great substitute for wine - it's much more sour and doesn't have the richness of flavour. However, if you don't have wine handy a very small amount of balsamic vinegar can be used to add depth of flavour. I sometimes use a bit of brandy instead of wine, as brandy keeps much better than a bottle of wine, so I always have it on hand.

If you use dehydrated mushrooms, the water you use to soak them in is great for gravies and sauces. When I use dried shitakes I rinse them well with water (to remove pesticides and dirt), soak in warm water until soft, and toss the excess liquid in a bag in the freezer for later. For vegetarians, you can use that and onions in place of meat stock.  If you cook dried beans or chickpeas, you can save that liquid as well, as a soup broth or gravy base.

For the powdered mixes and vegetarianism, if I remember correctly the phrase "natural flavours" can include small amounts of meat products (natural meat flavour is still meat).

For other sauces and accompaniments for meats that aren't strictly gravy;

Slowly caramelize onions in half butter and half olive oil, with a sprig of rosemary. When they are almost done, add some sherry and reduce until the liquid is gone. This makes a wonderful side/topping for things like pork loin, and is very good with chicken and a bit of blue cheese crumbled on top.

You can also make use mustard as a flavouring for things like ham or pork loin or roast beef.  Make a simple flour thickened sauce with broth, and flavour heavily with a good dijon mustard.


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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2011, 04:22:52 AM »
I love serving pork tenderloin, it's one of my favorites. To make a gravy with it I start with some saved bacon grease and flour and cook, stirring, until it starts to turn brown and fragrant. Then I add liquids: some water, some apple cider, a little white wine, a few drops of Worcestershire sauce. Season it with salt and pepper and stir until it thickens and is ready to eat.
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