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Sharnita

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Re: Is an heirloom a REAL gift?
« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2007, 08:56:40 AM »
I don't think either child has cause for complaint in the gift department, though maybe in the lack of parenting he provided. Both gifts are fine. It doesn't matter how much money ex or his mother have/had.

FWIW, six months of taking care of somepne who is dying is difficult - even wtih medical and household staff there.

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Re: Is an heirloom a REAL gift?
« Reply #46 on: January 02, 2007, 11:45:33 AM »
I don't think either child has cause for complaint in the gift department, though maybe in the lack of parenting he provided. Both gifts are fine. It doesn't matter how much money ex or his mother have/had.

FWIW, six months of taking care of somepne who is dying is difficult - even wtih medical and household staff there.

I think that there is a lot more going on here than a few "crummy " gifts.  I don't think that the gifts would have been an issue if it were for not the perception of unfairness and favoritism since the OP had mentioned the expensive gifts given to the step brothers.  Now, I understand that not everything is going to be equal but I can also understand why a child might resent his parent if he felt that he was consistently getting the short end of the stick.

I also suspect that there is there might be some resentment over the treatment of the OP's daughter.  Yes, taking care of someone who dying is difficult but I also suspect that taking care of a disabled daughter can also be difficult especially without help. I do not think that the OP feels that she got help and support she needed from the father and probably resents the grandparents for not having more to do with the daughter.

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Re: Is an heirloom a REAL gift?
« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2007, 11:51:17 AM »
I think heirlooms in general are an acceptable gift *only* when given with the accompanying background, stories, history, and whatnot.  Giving a teenage boy an old watch from someone he barely knew with no explanation why it would be special is really a cop-out.  Now, the father may have attached some sentimental value to it, but that is all lost because he never bothered to tell his son why the watch is special.

Some of the posters here have recounted stories of various heirlooms they received and treasured - but in each case, they're really treasuring the memory of the person who had originally owned it (or the memory of how they used to be).  If your son didn't receive that along with the watch, he was just given an old, used watch.  And unfortunately, although you probably could try to sell it, it's a bit of a white elephant.  You know it's *supposed* to be cherished, so your son would probably feel a bit awkward getting rid of it for good, and it would always be a possible source of contention between him and his father later on.  ("What do you mean, you sold it?  Don't you care about your grandfather?")

I think this is spot on.

Just had to add my two cents.... I think Slartibart nailed this one on the head.  If there had been any indication at all that the watch was special to the dad and he wanted to share it with his son we probably wouldn't have heard this story.  If my biological matter contributor (father, to normal people) sent me something from his grandfather I'd have no idea what to do with it.  I'd probably keep it, but I wouldn't be holding my breath for a story or an explanation. 

OP, I have to agree with at least part of the advice offered.  Start teaching your children NOW not to rely on their father.  He will never change, and the only way to live through the hurt is to lower their expectations. 

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Re: Is an heirloom a REAL gift?
« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2007, 12:34:22 PM »
Yes, heirlooms are real gifts whether you prefer them to other possible gift choices are not. In fact, it is a very nice choice for a recently graduating young man. Personally, I think the heirloom has more more meaning than a new watch and I hope he finds meaning in some day. Family wealth has nothing to do with it.

I am more concerned by the value comparisons being made between gifts and the frequency with which income/wealth was mentioned. It seems like this young man is more concerned with valuation than a gracious response to a gift-- any gift.
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Re: Is an heirloom a REAL gift?
« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2007, 02:37:19 PM »
What's wrong with a 1950s diamond faced Hamilton?  I received one at the age of 13 as a Bat Mitzvah gift from my grandmother's aunt, and I consider it one of my prized possessions.  I wear it proudly and often.  We're not sure where it came from, because the name on it was not hers, so I think she may have purchased an estate piece from a jewelry store.  Sadly, the aunt in question died before she could give me the gift, and my grandmother received it when she went out for the funeral and was told to give it to me.  I only wish it had been an heirloom.  It would have been all the more special.

My engagement ring is also an heirloom, and belonged to my husband's grandmother.  I think it's beautiful and am honored to wear it.

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Re: Is an heirloom a REAL gift?
« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2007, 02:41:09 PM »
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A 1950s diamond faced Hamilton tends to sell for well over $3000.00

Are you sure about this?  I had mine appraised a couple of years ago and they put a value of $400 on it.

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Re: Is an heirloom a REAL gift?
« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2007, 03:06:37 PM »
I haven't seen my father in 16 years, but if he were to send me his guitar today, I'd take it gladly. It belonged to Mother's brother first, and my father bought it from Uncle Jack. Among the few good memories I have of my father is hearing him play "Wildwood Flower" on that guitar.

I sent my father a Christmas card this year. (I found his address on the internet.) Did I expect to hear back from him? No. And I haven't. I don't expect anything out of him.

I honestly don't think the OP's children should expect squat from their father, just as I expect nothing from mine. But speaking for myself, as I get older I wish I had something to give me a little connection. My father had a temper that could make Satan tremble, and we didn't get along at all once I reached my teens. But I'm still his daughter, and having something of his that brings back a few happy memories would be a nice thing.
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Re: Is an heirloom a REAL gift?
« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2007, 07:01:47 PM »

I am not completely sure that the son would be able to sell the watch.  The most valuable antiques are close to being in mint condition and have most, if not all, their original parts.  If I read the original post correctly, the father replaced the original watch band with a leather band, and, unless he sent the original band with the watch, removing the original band probably decreased its value.

Not really.  The value of the band is negligible compared to the actual watch itself.  An authentic, original band may slightly affect a watch's price, but not much.  A manual wind Rolex requires routine maintenance every 5 years, and an automatic needs a tune-up every 3 years.  These keep the watches working and prevent the type of long-term wear and tear that would negatively impact their value.  As long as the watch in question is in good repair, it will fetch a good price, regardless of the band.  I strongly urge the OP's son not to sell his gift.  If he decides to do so, he should take it to a reputable jeweler/authorized Rolex dealer.  Do not sell it on eBay! 

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Re: Is an heirloom a REAL gift?
« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2007, 03:02:35 PM »
Just my two cents.

My parents were divorced and my dad started ignoring us after a couple years, he ran off to Vegas and spent a bunch of money, got married etc.

My mom was heartbroken from what he did to us, when he did send gifts they were all wrong, wrong sizes...the same thing your ex is doing to your kids.

Call him up and tell him that he needs to rethink his gift giving and that he is HURTING your kids feelings. Especially all the crap about not building a ramp so your daughter can visit.

Tell him to build a godforsaken ramp or buy the portable one. Please talk to him while the kids are still young. I'm 31 now and have a so so relationship with my dad now, but if my mom had actually spoken up about the crap he was doing and how it was affecting us, it might have been sooner.

Thanks, good luck!
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Re: Is an heirloom a REAL gift?
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2007, 02:04:24 PM »
I think that an heirloom is a real gift, and there's nothing wrong with giving one, I think it was a touching gesture. You don't give your father's watch to just anyone....

I agree with Auntie Venom and Karen on this.   I think possibly your son is being a bit of an ungrateful you-know-what...

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Re: Is an heirloom a REAL gift?
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2007, 08:47:54 PM »
For about ten years I had the honor to work with a scholar in the field  of Egyptian and Classical Art.  One thing he taught me that I will always remember was that 90% of the value of any object lies in its story.  I think that has great meaning for this discussion of heirlooms as appropriate gifts.  Here's a tale of two heirlooms.

Tale One:

Mr. Thipu's Mom is almost 90 years-old.  She's still smart and spry but, over the last few years she's been giving us family heirlooms as Holiday gifts.  One of the goodies we received this year was a box that had been given to her husband on his 60th Birthday.  The box was silver-plate and, over the years, some of the silver had worn off.  It was still a beautiful thing because of the story.

Mr. Thipu's Dad had sponsored two nephews we'll call Abe and Ben to come to the United States from China.  They did well in this country and had this box made to honor their uncle.  The box has a classic Chinese inscription for a gift of this kind.  Abe and Ben also added another inscription honoring their uncle as a tennis champion.  That was right because, well into his 60s, Mr. Thipu's Dad was placing highly in Tennis tournaments in the area in which he lived.  That's a nice story to tell.  Mr. Thipu's Mom translated the inscriptions and wrote down the history of the box.  We'll keep them together and pass the box on to the next generation.  It will be especially nice if one of Dad's Great-Grandchildren plays tennis.

Tale Two

Aunt Roz was my Mother's sister.  When I was a little girl, Aunt Roz was a nice aunt who gave me lots of pretty stuff.  As I grew older, I started to see a darker side of Aunt Roz.  It was all about the rings.

Aunt Roz was thought to be rich.  She had  stocks, she had a fur coat and she had the fabled rings.  They were said to be big yockers. One was set with emeralds, one was set with  sapphires and the last was set with rubies.  All were said to have diamonds in the settings..  Aunt Roz often said that the rings would go to her three nieces.  Throughout my childhood and adolescence I was pushed to do anything Aunt Roz wanted because, if I was impolite to Aunt Roz, I wouldn't get a ring.   

My Mother died before Aunt Roz and the distribution of the rings fell to my cousin.  I received the Ruby one.  I took one look at it and threw that magnificent heirloom right in the trash.  It was a bit of costume jewelry that might have cost 3 dollars from Woolworth's in the early 1970s.  For me, it had very bad associations.

My Father died in the late 1980s.  At the time, Aunt Roz was going blind and needed help in her house.  God forbid, she would have anyone but family in to help her.  My Mother moved in with Aunt Roz, did the housework as best she could, drove Aunt Roz anywhere she wanted to go and became a virtual slave to her sister for almost 5 years.  We tried to get Mom out of that rat-hole but, without her say-so we could do nothing. 
 
Eventually, Aunt Roz had an accident that required medical intervention.  It was determined that the house was such bad condition that no one could continue to live there.

We finally got my Mother got into a retirement community and she had another  comfortable five years of life.  Still, I have to wonder.  What did my Mother and I have to sacrifice for the promise of a ring? 

There are heirlooms and heirlooms.  There are good and bad.  It's the luck of the draw.